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topic for discussion: Concept
of Ayu Genomics....
Colombia Dr Mario Herrera, Neiva, Huila:
Correlation between prakruti and genes. There is an excellent article about
that in Nature.
Ayulink:
Actually in 1988, I was planning to study Ayurveda prakriti and relation with
DNA fingerprinting. That was the time, when there were no email or internet
communication and very few people had heard about DNA fingerprinting. I made
several correspondences with American universities. But that was well 'too much
ahead of time' vision.
But now in 2016, time has changed and many
researches are going on for this subject. Please share your thoughts on this.
Dr. Bhaskar B Nymathi:
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
AGE OF REPRODUCTION.
- पूर्णंषोडशवर्षा स्त्री पूर्णविंशेन सङ्गता !
- शुद्धे गर्भाशये मार्गे रक्ते शुक्रे अनिले ह्रदि !!
- वीर्यवन्तं सुतं सुते --- (A.H.Sha.1/8)
According to Ayurveda, age of reproduction for
female is 16 year and for male is 20 year. During this age(early age) of female,
the ovum will be pure without any cytogenic defects.
According to modern science, Female Fetus before
even takes birth, they start their 1st meiotic division in the ovaries for the
ova development and they slightly carry out the some steps of 1st meiotic
division. And then freeze the 1st miotic division at a special stage which is
called deplotene stage.
After that female keep all those cells arrested in
deplotene stage in which chromosome and genetic material is loosely arranged
and more vulnerable to environmental and other types of mutagenic influences.
Female is born & she reaches at the age of
puberty, then menstrual cycle start & at every month some of the frozen
cell (arrested in deplotene stage) are reactivated & complete the meiotic
division which is going to be matured Ovum.
As female age keep on increasing, the chances that
her premature gametes with open genetic material where genetic material is
arrested in deplotene stage that has more and more chances of being influenced
by the MUTAGENIC substances. And baby is more vulnerable to cytogenic
disorders.
So why Ayurveda suggests young age for Reproduction.
I think Ayurveda is more applicable science, ayurveda gives solutions in name
of Samsakara.
Dr. Ramiz Gadhiya:
There is also one Reference Acc to acharya Sushrut Appropriate age for
conception Male 25 yr , Female 16 yr.
Ayulink: Ayu
genomics more focus on genetic developments - DNA chains and chromosome
development which ultimately reflects characteristics of the person. It's
exactly same as prakriti Pariksha as described in the texts.
Western medicine has 'latest research and trend of
developing individual or personalised medicine'. I am not sure abt Indian
medical doctors, but in west, many medical doctors and Pharma companies are
believing and spending a lot money and efforts for personalised medicine. This
is new or upcoming trend in medical world. What exactly Ayurveda recommends
thousands years before and practiced by all Ayurveda doctors. But need of the
time is INTERACTION between both sciences.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik:
As far present sinario prakruti is change according to time Conditions,
Atmosphere, Family circumstance, Job, Value, Money, Parent's, Child,
Adjustment, Thought, Mindset, Compromise, Attitudes, Manner- We must focus on
this factor. We can not consider basic prakruti Or genomic.
Ayulink:
For personalised medicine - they need - Knowledge of genomes - hidden secretes
of genetical inherited characteristics of the person - which can be easily understood with knowledge
of prakriti.
Dr. S. K. Rai: Prakruti
is a bioidentity of a person , it never changed. If there is noticeable change
it refers to the entry of disease or in other words it says person is moving
towards death.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik:
Of course getenic disease, Dna related disorder, Heredity disease are related
to genomic.
Many person are vatic, Pitaj are absolutely opposite
to prakruti. In behaved, Manner, Attitudes, Life style.
Ayulink:
Few Pharma companies in india has started research projects on this. Last week
I had a meeting one of the leader Allopath Pharma co in this aspect.
Their Ultimate planning is to identify a person -
evaluate the person for his / her internal balance (definitely according to
their modern parameters - which are not finalized yet) with the help of DNA
chains etc. and to find out balance - imbalance to prepare essential or
supplements or medicines on the spot, in required dose - mix them fill it in a
capsule and provide to the person for a decided time (e.g. 3 months). After
every three months, the whole process will be repeated and again the required
supplement or medicine will be prepared - on the basis of balance and imbalance
and will be given to the person.
This sounds fascinating and WOW. But it's nothing
new for Ayurveda practitioner, as we are trained to do such practice according
to prakriti Pariksha.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik:
As far I concern meditation, Counseling, Spiritual approach make lost of change
to cure the disease.
Dr Kusum Pawse:
For weight reduction too DNA test is done and then accordingly food is
prescribed.
Ayulink:
Dr. Bhadreshji, Ayu genomics is only a begging of the revolutionary changes in
modern medicine.
Till today, personalized medicine or treatment
approach of Ayurveda was considered as negative point. We were always asked
that can Ayurveda medicine work like modern? For example ten out of ten person
will have definite response with any single molecule or single substance like
paracetamol. Does Ayurveda have any such? And our answer was No. as we have
personalised approach.
Now the same modern scientist and researchers are
not satisfied with single molecule in all condition. They found this theory
incomplete. And that's where the beginning of search for personalised medicine
or study of genome science started. Yet, this is beginning. We can't seat back
and claim that every thing is in the books and all answers are there. Even
prakriti identification is a challenge. We Ayurveda Practitioners differes in prakriti identification of the
same patient / person, as we don't have standardised prakriti examination
method. That's why Ayu genomics has become
very interesting subject.
Dr. Suyog Kulkarni:
Well said Dr. Prerakji. I always tell my patients ,"Allopathy treats the
disease "and we treat the "Diseased " the person !
Dr. J. T. Contractor: If
we are close to nature- nature itself
takes care of us, bio organically any living cell may it be body or plant responsively
react, cheer, grow, & being remain healthily normal, but- it's a big BUT
against the Inorganically treated cell of plant or living body tends to show
deviation sooner or later, leaving hazardous residual untoward side effects in
living body or plants, every one these days aware of the fact that the
chemically treated fruits & vegetables in market make blunders. Similarly
even allopathic branch is well aware of the side effects of paracetamol
tetracycline & rest of the micines, sulpha or chloro, quinine!!
These people'(allopathic) yet pushing the sugar
coated poison to innocents, most ironically the blaming hanged on Ayurveda (an
organic innocent drugs) always an under estimated like a step sister! Reason
being we are over shadowed by the trillion $ lobby,yes beam of hope may take
our third generation to achieve a parallel track,
Ayulink:
Sir, Indian Allopath doctor may not be aware of 'latest' in modern research, it
might take another 8-10 years to reach to India. But reality is interactive
medicine is future of this field.
On other side, we have also responsibility to get
ready for such interaction. We have to be open for such ideas. Can't talk all d
time that everything is written down in our text books. We have to present our
knowledge in worldly accepted language / norms. Also we need to overcome our
limitations too.
USA Irene CCA:
If Prakruti is something that never changes and it is related with our DNA and
genes how we can connect this idea with modern research about our genes is not
something that we can not change, on the contrary their expression depends on our lifestyle?
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari:
my observation is- Prakruti as we test
2dy by asking questions and darshan, is subject to human errors of perception
about one's self or others. For me best is still. astrologically, Nadi Aadya, Madhya and Antya, from most correct astrochart. Alwayz correct.
Aadya-Vatpradhan, Madhy-Pittapradha,
Antya- Kaphpradhan.
Dr. Pravin Tirmare:
Nadi from astrochart ? How
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Insulin
incrrporeted in bacteria for insulin
production. Humulin produced by bacteria e coli
is the name of insulin- Process called trans genesis. Similarly bhallatac may converted for carcinoma. Since
1995 genes decod of human body is in progess. Some of genes are found for
particular disease. After words specific target medicine can be found.There so
many legal issue for that we must take concern. Genomic and prakruti can be
compared.It's absolutely not opposite.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Astrological
Nadi is different than Pulse-Nadi. See
any astrochart, there is one mentioned.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik:
Behaviour genomic is ongoing programme having a good feedback.
Some of genes are responsible for psychological
disorder. In future genome medicine will help for psychological disorder. We
can compare with heredity or garbhaj dusti. Even environmental factor also
effects on gene.Alarming reports are coming- That's our spiritual guru always
talking about go back to nature - Equilibrium with nature - Emotions are
responsible for disturb the genes.
Most common disease related to genetic are Stoke,
Dm, Cancer very common colon cancer, Coronary artery disease.Final conclusions
about genetic disorder prevention is any how stop the mutusion of dna.
Ayurved swathvrut charya is only remedy to prevent
genetic disorder.
Australia Vd. Neerja Ahuja:
Modern science tells us that DNA is affected by what we are doing now. I think
changing habits, effort on changing samskaras would have effect on genetics. It
is the coding of who we are after all.
USA Irene CCA:
our life style determines if the gen express or not the information we can
activates or deactivates gens.
USA Gary Yuen:
Agree. Thus Caraka defines dhari as a combination including control and mastery
of the senses and development of the self, atman.
USA Irene CCA:
When the DNA from a cell receives the information from a neuropeptide
(substratum from our emotions, feelings and thoughts) the cell responds activating or deactivating some gens.
Dr. Supratim Bir:
Prakriti gives a glimpse of genotype and phenotype of an individual.
Vd. Tapan:
Like Prakruti there are few factors which are easily assayable and are also do
not change from day one to last breath
- blood group
- fingerprints
- iris pattern
If we gather this data which can be easily available
than I suppose we can catagorise the data in
three or seven groups and that way subjectively identify the Prakruti .
Dr. Bhadresh Naik:
To avoid genetic disorder ayurved is very serious about this For that rutu,
Xetra, Ambu, Bij must be pure and
powerful.
We have to counseling to those having a genetic or
heredity disease to prevent in next generation. Even mindset, Belief, Thought,
Perspation, Emage, Invite to disease is major factor. We never try to prevent
such disease only wait for time to grow and develop. Instead of that we focus
on prevention Like many of us family members are diabetic history for that we
make mind that my family members are victim I also get rid of dm. We must fight
against the problem but our tendency is different..
Vd. Asha Tandel:
It's about astrological Nadi vigyan.
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana:
Vd.
Mahavir Vora: Beside prakruti parikshan we can take
advantage of dosa dhatu mal dusti and dhatu saravata and dhatu rasayan yogas in correction of gene
disorder it defiantly give promising result need vast research.
Dr. P. A. Deshpande:
Expression of gens I e behavior can be changed through diet exercise yoga and pranayam. In my 54 years of
practice the genetic problems are either eleminated or diluted in next generation including diabetic.
Dr. Chirag: Prakriti or genonomics is not only wat we
have made it to be completely physical or psychological. It has a deeper
understanding.
Actually even, the samskara which lead to certain definite
change in prakriti or genonomics can be altered by continuous effort and
practicing swasthavritta.
Vritti are our regular thoughts that evole in mind
and then turn into action. This actions performed continuously leads to deep
samskara in the mind. This samskara make up a genetic predisposition.
Dr. Dilip Pithiya:
6 prakruti According to Charaka 1Jatipraskta 2Kulpraskta
3Desanupatini 4Vayanupatini 5Kalanupatini
6Pratyamniyat
Among these Prakrutis Pratiyamniyat can be corelated
with Genomics. Sahaj or Kulajvyadhi
Genatic diseases.
USA Dr. Archana Vardhan:
http://www.millenniumpost.in/NewsContent.aspx?NID=324929
Dr. Bhadresh Naik:
Frist of all we must understand the dna and it's role in body mind effects. So
everybody request to share the view. Target medicine is important issue. We
have to dedicated to ayurved and morden approach. Modifying drugs delivery
system. To prevent mutation dna cycle. Prakriti established after conception.
Our aim is to prevent genetic disorder . So we to try before conception. So lot
things to approach in a different angel. It's not easy things to do . Team work
is require to do something.
https://youtu.be/_xJXZBCOWMY
https://youtu.be/pgHAXCMMcro
Thanks and courtesy to both speaker. Please see the
both videos it's make clarity about genomic science.
Dr. Anjana Prakash: According to Susrutacharya d formation of prakriti is influenced by garbhini regimens.That means dat d development of prakriti is continuing even after sukra sonitha samyoga...
Chhayaben: Ayurveda is doing this personalised medication from the beginning...in Ayurveda though u have standard medication, but dose n medicine prescribed depending upon patient's prakruti ...I m not from medical field but this is my overview..
Tilak Raj Gujrani: Great, very nice topic and information.
Just last week I have come accross a family where theree generations are vatic as they themselves say that all have problems of trembling hands. Body weight normal / sub normal but not very low. Cracking sound in joints at age of as early as 36. From farming community. Eating a lot of desi ghee and doing daily exercise. No hyperthyroid.
Medha Guard: A lot of people in usa are turning to Ayurveda as it is such a complete science and medicine and as you rightly say, it is personalized , tailor made , and not one size fits all.
As a practitioner , I feel so much fulfillment taking care of people via Ayurveda and when I see how they take the responsibility to make a diet and lifestyle change rather than relying on pills to get them disease free!
I am very happy that this discussion is on
We certainly need to spread this knowledge far and wide , we each can take this responsibility !!
Dr. Anjana Prakash: According to Susrutacharya d formation of prakriti is influenced by garbhini regimens.That means dat d development of prakriti is continuing even after sukra sonitha samyoga...
Chhayaben: Ayurveda is doing this personalised medication from the beginning...in Ayurveda though u have standard medication, but dose n medicine prescribed depending upon patient's prakruti ...I m not from medical field but this is my overview..
Tilak Raj Gujrani: Great, very nice topic and information.
Just last week I have come accross a family where theree generations are vatic as they themselves say that all have problems of trembling hands. Body weight normal / sub normal but not very low. Cracking sound in joints at age of as early as 36. From farming community. Eating a lot of desi ghee and doing daily exercise. No hyperthyroid.
Medha Guard: A lot of people in usa are turning to Ayurveda as it is such a complete science and medicine and as you rightly say, it is personalized , tailor made , and not one size fits all.
As a practitioner , I feel so much fulfillment taking care of people via Ayurveda and when I see how they take the responsibility to make a diet and lifestyle change rather than relying on pills to get them disease free!
I am very happy that this discussion is on
We certainly need to spread this knowledge far and wide , we each can take this responsibility !!
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