Ashmari (renal stone - kidney stone or bladder stone) and its management with #Ayurveda......

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Dr. J. T. Contractor: Kulthia ( Kalshi) is best to break stone in kidney  & blader, proven therapy ( hope some one doesn't ask of reference!), kulthi kadha taken in place of water daily, but a teaspoon full powder of kulthi in a week's time removes stone, besides it flushes entire renal system,it's a best cleanser……Khadamar also available,some give it with soda,but best & safe is Kulthi-Kalshi-Kulthia

Dr. Jinal Thakkar: There is a reference in sushrut samhita abt Kulattha (Kalshi),  Where kulittha has been mentioned as pathyakar for ashmari

Dr. Meghdoot Satvekar: Ref of kulith in treatment of stone

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Look at samprati…….Vata and kapha Are involved….So treat vatshamak and coughnask medicine

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Surat Vd Mukul Patel: There are drugs which have no reference in any samhita,   but are used traditionaly, or in tribal or folk  medicine. There are many such drugs having miraculous results used by bagats in dang,  I have personally seen them use a drug in renal calculi,   Kurdu seeds. Sorry, no differentiation  as per doshas,  no understanding of samprapti, And no reference. I have used  these seeds with excellent results.

Shri Minoo parabia: That's lampdi or Celosia argentea. Seeds are diuretic.

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Sigrubij and parnfuti are useful

Surat Vd Mukul Patel: @ prabiya sir,  yes sir I was talking about Celosia, the plant that is referred to as silver spiked purple cocks comb in general,  It is a potential medicinal plant, not much explored .

Vd. Dipak Upadhyay: I m using Gokshur , pasanbhed & water therapy.

Dr Dipak Shirude: Can someone share the two theories stated by Sushruta regarding formation of ashmari ?

Vd. Manhar Prajapati: For pain avpidak sneh is good before food followed by 3hr after taking food…..What is kurudu seeds?

Dr. Arvind panchal: I m using combination of drugs like apamarg, chhota gokshur, bhoomi amlaki, punarnava, bijora, kulthi and yavkhar...in liquid form....it gives best results in stone up to 10mm size....

USA Parulben: One professor from Surat college (forgot his name who was my examiner) has done great resurch  work on corn hair. Corn hair is very strong diuretic works faster then tab . Lasix. It gives good result in renal stone. By the way no sanhita or charak, Sushrut or vagbhatt has mentioned about this. Together we all trying to unfold this Devine Science on this platform and trying to promote Ayurveda better way.

Dr. Saritha Reddy: Sir, u have said about corn hair, pl give some details about how to administer, it to the patient

Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: My father Vaidya S.K. Kulkarni used to use corn hair in form of decoction along with other herbs like gokshur in renal stones.

Baroda Arti parimal: Corn silk, Punarnava, Neem chhal powder, Pipal (ficus religious) teak powder, Make a decoction of these, Good for creatinine and prostate

 +91 94286 00239: Gokshur churna + purnanava churna + hajaradyahud bhas…..This combination with soda also give best results in renal stone

Shri Minoo parabia: My pujya Guruji, shri Bapalal Vaidya used to recommend following decoction on Cholelithiasis….Moringa bark, Boerhavia root, Tribulus fruits, Celosia seeds, Tephrosia root all in equal proportion. Sahajan, Punarnava,  goxur, Survali, Sarpankh

Exi kir: I m suffering from kidney stone since last 30 years. So far, 7 stones have come out without operation. 5 months back this kidney stone came out.

Dr. Lokesh Mehta: Combination of hajralyahood yavkshar moolikshar and shvet parpati. Gives good result along with gokshuradi gug and juice of pathar chatta.

Exi kir: I prepare Barly water (Jav nu pani) at home and consume it. "Vajrasan" is good in this problem.

Dr. Lokesh Mehta: Kulath dal water is also useful in renal stones. Do kapal bhati pranayam regularly for renal stones

Exi kir: Which food is restricted?

Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: Avoid suppressing natural urge like. Passing. urine for a long time, at the same time wrong dietary food habbits regularly, as mentioned in the leaflet NOT MADE FOR EACH OTHER, uploaded to. Flinnt, also pl ref to the article uploade, PREVENTION OF KIDNEY DISEASES AN AYURVERDIC APPROACH, this will help quite a lot from. prevention pt of view. Among the medications,  POONARNAVADI. KATHA, CHANDRAPRABHA TAB, GOKHURADI GUGGUL, use of the leaves of. Parnabeej, ie. Bryophylum raw as well as juice helps quite a lot,  Brayophyllum is available  everywhere. Use of. Raddish, cucumber, regularly,  sugarcane juice without ice to be consumed regularly. pl avoid drinking a lot of water when not thirsty, drink only when thirsty, perspiring quite a lot. Chilled water always disturbs the digestive fire, leading to Agnimandya, subsequently weaking of digestive. system

Vd. Sandip Patel: I ask you remedy of any type of stone used by my late GURU pu.Narsinhkaka 1) idrajav 10gm+vacha 1 gm+Abhaya 5gm with ghee 2)sagbeej powder100 gm+tulsibeej 100 gm twice along with lepdi beej with plenty of water

Dr. Dipalee Malviya: One should avoid this food in kidney stone.....Beans,cauliflower,egg yolk, milk products,potatoes,beef ,chickoo, cashew nuts, cocoa, spinach, tomato, ground nuts, custard apple, salmon fish, meat extracts. As we all r genetically different with different constitution n patterns,we respond to treatment in many different ways.  Stone formation is a gradual process n the tendency in a susceptible person persists through out life.Vigilance with adequate fluid intake n diet is needed indefinitely. The simplest guide to drink enough fluids to see tht the urine is very light in colur.Dilute urine avoids concentration of solids n also tends to make the urine neutral.Also treat urinary infection for prevention.

Shri Minoo parabia: Types of crystals tell us the chemical nature of the calculi. Basically there is a combination of active plus diuretics and an advise for ingestion of lots of water. One of the most common methods is use of barley or yava kshar and decoction of Gokhru.  Many experiments are presently being carried out by scientists including physicists and chemist to test in vitro breaking down of extracted calculi using different chemicals and herbal extracts. Aim is to loosen bonding of the crystalline layers formed around the nucleus. Also to make the urine less concentrated.  Varunadi kwath is also found good.

Vd. Nikul Thakkar Palanpur: In my experience. Varunadi kwath with Yavkshar at empty stomach in morning.  Pramehgaj kesari ras, Chandraprabha vati , Gives best result. I have cured more then 100 patients  of stone. And excellent result of these medicines.  And also advise diet plan..

Dr. Prerak Shah: Is there any role of pranayam in renal stone?

Vd. Nikul Thakkar Palanpur: Yes sir. Paschimottanasan & Kapalbhati pranayam also beneficial.

Shri Minoo parabia: That's great. Amazing achievement. Please do enlighten about complications, if any, encountered.

Dr. Hardikchandra Kalal: Which are complications seen practically  after cholecystectomy ??

Vd. Manhar Prajapati: Gastric trouble acdt. ...

Dr Dipak Shirude: [ This is sharing of knowledge and experience, preferably for Medicos ] When Major Singh ( NCC Officer ) came to me, he was in a great grief as he had suffered from severe colicky pain last night. After proper assessment and USG Abdomen, I confirmed the diagnosis as ureteric calculus. The sonologist found the dimension 8.3 mm only.----------Mr. Singh was also suffering from irritable bowel habits, since last many years. This time he was not interested to consume medicine and wait for the result. He asked me for a different kind of treatment. His strong belief in Ayurved insisted me to go for 'Bastikarma' (medicated enemas). I selected simple type and started the course for 15 days. ( 9 Anuvasan + 6 Niruha ). Ingredients were pure seasame oil, water and natural salt ( i.e. saindhav ) only. No medicine was consumed orally at all.  ----------- On the 6th day of the procedure, I administered 'Niruh' type of basti in the morning 8:30 o'clock and returned to OPD. Around 9:45 AM, Major arrived having a smile on his face and shown me the stone which he expelled softly through urin just before. We measured it's dimensions as 8.3 mm width & 18 mm length, looking like a seed of zizyphus ( बदर / बोर ). Though the stone was consisted with scaly and very hard particles, no bleeding or even burning was observed during the evacuation. Is that so easy to pass such stone through male urethra ? or is it a miracle ?  ------------- Not at all, as the references clearly state that,

1. Bastikarma ( especially Niruh ) is indicated in the treatment of Ashmari ( i.e. Calculus ). तेन साधयेत ... अश्मरी ... || ( अष्टांगहॄदय सूत्रस्थान १९/३ )

2. दोषघ्नो निष्परिहारो बल्यः सृष्टमलः सुखः || ( अष्टांगहॄदय सूत्रस्थान १९/३ ) It pacifies excess Doshas, easily evacuates Malas and tones up the body.

3. How it works ? :

        a. Bastikarma brings softness alongwith tone in the body, especially in all the organs below umbilicus.

        b. It corrects the neurological actions and physiology of these organs - internal and external also, urinary track, musculature as well as osteos like vertebras and pelvic girdle.

        c. According to Ayurved, physiology of these organs depends upon the status of " Apaan Vayu ". Bastikarma  normalises the " Apaan Karma ".

something about “Corn Silk”……

USA Dr. Parulben: Sorry due to time difference I couldn't answer your question for corn silk. Yes you can use corn silk as dicoction. 10 grms corn silk boil for 10 minutes with 2 glass of water and use every 2 hour 3 Oz. (You can prepare 1 gallon with same proportions ) I have used as an anupan  with chandraprabhavati in woman. With shilajit in man. Not to eat anything for 24 to 48 hours just cornsilk dicoction. In renal stone. But in gold stone. Erand leaf boil with cow milk and blend it. Give this first in the morning for 7 to 21 days. Most of symptoms will subside in 3  to 7 days. This gives good results in jaundice  too.  This is just guidelines please do not follow blindly as every patient's prakruti is unique and good vaid should make protocol accordingly.

USA Dinesh Pandya: There is a thesis in PGTR Jamnagar.....Corn Silk in Prostate Cancer ...in the year 1972-1973. Work was carried out with Department of surgery Irvine Hospital..Govt.Medical college Jamnagar.....Work Carried out by Dr.C P Rao.....

Surat Vd Mukul Patel: There was another thesis , on  a similar subject . using basma of corn silk,  (prostate enlargement )  I think it was in 1986/88  By Dr lakshmidas …..Very good response.

Dr Dipak Shirude: How to prepare corn silk bhasma ?

Dr. Mahavir Patil: what is name of corn silk in marathi ..? anybody plz tell

Mr. Dipak Padia Osho: Corn Resima called in Marathi

Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: Corn silk -- मक्याचे केस

Shri Minoo parabia: I had known through different sources about corn styles but never had used it.  Thanks indeed to learn about the positive results of such a common material available plenty in India.

Dr. Mahavir Patil: How to prepare corn silk bhasma ?

Dr Dipak Shirude: I have used this as quath in BPH along with other regular medicines. It gives faster relief to the patients. No experience regarding calculii.

Vd. Tapan: Making Bhasma is not practical…..150 gram bhasma can be available from 5 kilo herb. Chhayashushka chura is ideal. Easily dispensable.

USA Dinesh Pandya: You can get organic corn silk powder on Amazon.com

Dr Premsukh: Yavak kshar 500mg, kokilaksha kashya 4tsp, Avipatikar choorna 3gm bd, Aaogya vardhini vati 2 bd, In night haritaki choorna 3gm, ya kutaki vati 2

Vd. Nidhi Awasthy: Arq makoya is also helpful in renal calculi

Vd. Pulkit D. Patel: trivikram rasa.and chandarprabha vati with punarnava kawatha.

Dr Premsukh: Hajral yahud bhasma 125mg, Yavak kshar 250mg,pasanbhed ras 250 mg,trivikrm ras 250 mg with varunadi ya gokshuradi kshaya 4tsp before meal, Chandra prabha vati 2 tab, tab cystone 2 tab with dashmool kwath ya spy Neeri 4tsp, Night 2 anjir and vrak sunantak vati 2, Diet as advice, intake plenty of water

Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: palashpushpasava, tab. k. 4,

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: If urine pH is alkaline then use acidic drugs like variety of lemons,, and if pH is acidic then use alkaline drugs like various kshar dravyas..

Vd. Mukesh Mehta: as far as l know palashpushpasava is good for dialysis patients.

Dr Premsukh: Varunadi kwath, Aswatha kwath, indukanta kwath in CKD

Vd. Nidhi Awasthy: Neeri , Gokshuradi kwath or churna , Shwet parpati , Pashan bhedadi churna , Shubhra bhasm, Arq makoy have good result,  Sharbat-e- bajuri also

Dr Sandeep kakuste Nandurbar: Above pt 24 yr old male, Rx given tab.calcury2_2,syp Neeri3 tsf 3time,Pashabheda churna 1tsf 2time. Plz adv ur suggestions. Is possible by medicine or go for surgery

Dr. Prerak Shah: Sharbat-e- bajuri? What's this? Pl give more info. Thnx.

Vd. Nisha Thakkar: Give hajrulyahud pisti  nd goksuradi gugullu. .stonex cap

Vd. Nidhi Awasthy: Sir it's basically a unani preparation, In general  bijora neembu's  extract,  Commonly available in market

Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: for. kidney stones never drink unnecessary water when not thirsty, eat only when hungry, drink only when you are thirsty, do not drink chilled water, do not the urge of. urination for a long time, se to it that your bowel movements are regular without any. medication.  read the leaflets sent on. Flinnt

Vd. Vidhi Joshi: Much useful drink 4 renal calculus & its easy to make also I m using it on my patients oftenly ……Take juice of fresh lime (2 in no.) + 1 tsp of olive oil ( used extra vargin olive oil bcz its thicker in compare so)  + small amound of honey to taste……..Take dis drink twice in day its work better bcz as v knw lime helps to break down stone as well olive oil provide lubrication to allow to pass down calculus……….Try it out at least once

Vd. Sureshbhai Chavda:  pasanbhed. gokshur. punarnava. varunchal  each one 100gm and yavakshar 50gm  with  ghee and honey

Vd. Ahmed Savani: I've one question that..Does one can prescribe Ghee(ghrita) or Ghee product(Medicated processed Ghee) in Renal Stone or Gall stone. And Is it effective & scientifically correct??

Vd. Tapan: Avapidak ghrut prayog have been advised in the chikitsa of Mutravegrodh ….

Headache (Shirah shul) and Migraine...#ayurvedic management

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Vd. Meeta Parekh : "Nasa hi shirso dwaram"   Nasya gives very good results in headache.

Dr. Bhadresh Naik:

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Surat Vd Mukul Patel: I have been using go- ghrit nasya. And sashkuli  made from pure ghrit

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Clarification of headache 1migraine….2 trigeminal neuralgia….3  Subacute sinusitis…..According to that you suggests line of treatment

Dr. Meghdoot Satvekar: Migraine - headache due to pitta prakopa causing too much pressure on nervous system . Brahmi vati , Jatamansi cap, Shitopaladi churn,  Shirashooladi  vajra ras, Kamdudha ras , Nasya -Anu taila, …….Pl suggest treatment for migraine in female patient due to hormonal imbalance

Dr. Nilesh Italia: Shatpushpa curna 3gm two times

Bunty Gandhi: I hv hv experienced quite relief only with Godanti Bhasma in headache..Much useful in headache related to cold-fever.. Specially in pitta related ..

Vd. Sunil Suthar:

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Vd. Sunil Suthar: These are particular site of headache so u can identify easily

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: It's very important to clarify dosh predominantly factors;  Vat, Pitta, Kapha (ayurved dosh)…..You can not treat resonaly..Like style change..Pathy, Dosh shamak ausdhi, Nasya, Sirodhara, Marma chikista, Siravedh

Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: I have very good experience of Coconut water shirodhara in Pittaja shirasshool .

Dr. Sujata Vaidya: Any headache is caused or aggravate by acidity. कोहला or ashgourd juice (100gm) daily with coriander first thing early morning for 7 odd days works wonders…..Patient should scrub sole of feet with कासा (bronze bowl) and coconut oil. Also eating 4 to 5 tsp raw coconut oil gives amazing relief and avoids complications.

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Headache Due to Hypertension, Brain tumor, Cerebral infraction, Vision problem, Stress, Many things to understand…Look at sign and symptoms…Think about serious reason….Then ultimate conclusions and start medicine….If need do investigations you require….Tb mengitis

Dr. Prerak Shah: @Dr. Suyog Kulkarni; pl give us more info for coconut water shirodhara….How long you do it? How much coconut water needed? Do we recycle it as oil? Do we warm it? Should dhara be on third eye or you move dhara like pendulum? Thanks for answers.

Dr. Jinal Thakkar: Sunthi jal nasya works great in migraine headaches

Vd. Devangi Jogal Surat: Well i have already shared my opinion of shirodhara in previous talk....though I will share again... I did my thesis on the effect of jaladhara on tension type headache ( vatika shirahshula).... I used to do jaladhara with tap water...in dhara, procedural effect is more beneficial than the effect of medicines.. The relaxation effect which was measured by biofeedback instruments shows that jaladhara is equally effective as taildhara....so we can use chandan,aamla,yastimadhu, rose water etc...in plain water in our practice so psychologically pt.feels better....we can give excellent results with less charges of shirodhara... Even I have used coconut water....in one sitting 4-5 tarofa with water is needed.... Can use it only for one sitting...

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Lots of debut on how many sirodhara can given Daily, Alternative, Once a week, Kindly guide and suggests, Efficacy may variable, Similar to basti treatment, Clarification of confusion, Thanks

Vd. Devangi Jogal Surat: We should do shirodhara for at least   7-8 sittings and maximum 21 days...1,2,3 sittings can give good effect for few days only...for long term benefits... We should continue shirodhara for at least 7-8 days...in chronic conditions we can repeat every month for 7days.... For continuous 3 months... Time should be 20 to 40 mins...

Dr Dipak Shirude: Early morning, even before sunrise, madhuraahaar i.e. sweet diet is advocated in ardhaavbhedak, certain kind of headache.

Dr. Meghdoot Satvekar:

Dr. Dipak Shirude: That is one of the causes of headache. Hyper emotions tend to aggravation of vata. And vata is responsible for शिर:शूल i.e. headache.

So to control emotions is to control vata.

Dr Sandeep Madaan: For Migraine and headaches anti anxiety herbs like tagara, brahmi and ashwagandha work.  Godanti again has good results.

Dr. Sheetal Sumra: Headache according to ayurveda is cause due to all three Dosha..  And even mental status is also responsible for headache. As we had entered in Vasant rutu (spring). ….In winters our pachak agni is high so we eat lots of sweets, heavy food so due to all this aama get accumulated in body.  ….In spring all this toxins material melts which blocks mahashrotas (channels) in our body which leads to various diseases one is which is shirshool.

Vd Pranjlin Kavar: Vd Kundan, just mix powder of dry date and ficus religiosa in equal measure. Does is 2 gm with warm water once in a day.

Dr. Lokesh Mehta: Pathyadi kwath is also useful in headache.

Vd Pranjlin Kavar: Munnaka draksh and variyali sarbat is effective particularly in this season

Dr. Lokesh Mehta: Nasya with goghrit also helps in headache.

Vd Daxa Patel: Shirodhara by milk, kwath or buttermilk is very useful in headache we have to choose it as dosh & symptoms of patient

Vd. Kalpesh Makvana Surat: Use balahathadi oil for shirodhara in any types of headache

Brazil Keli Paratana Sao Paulo: Nasya? Is useful? Pranayama bastrika? I see

Vd. Pulkit D. Patel: ▪shira shoola▪ vataj shirashoola…….tivra rooja shoola prashamana by bandhana and swedana.present days neuralgia has similar lakshana of vataj shirashoola……hetu of shirashoola……dhoom, aatapa, jalakrida, divaswapna, ratrijagrana, asruveg dharana, ati jalpan, madhaya pan, krumi, vegdharana, asatmya gandh, aamdosh sanchaya, guru amala dravya ati sevan, ati maithuna, shira abhigata

Vd. Nidhi Awasthy: Pathyadi kwath, Godanti bhasm +Avipattikar churna+giloy satwa …..Got good results by this …..Basically pitta shamak

Dr. Rachana Mumbai: Pathyadi kwath very good - if shirhashool due to indigestion or pitta, …..Cap. Nuerogrex of zoetic co. along with dashmula ghanvati is very useful in vataj type of shirahshool,  Varunadi kashay also is very helpful but selection of it depends on pt prakruti, dosh & kala, Nasya with kshirbala tail.

Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: Headache may be there because of. Bad teeth,  Sinusitis, lack of sleep, constipation leading to. Malavarodhjanya. Udavarta, Amlapitta, Ajirna, and the most important Hypertension.  Treatment differs in each case. If it is bad teeth, treat the teeth. If it is because of Sinusitis, Trikatu with  honey, if it is because of Amlapitta, treat it with. Avipattikar churna, may be. given. headache due to pittaprakop, can be treated with pravalpanchamrut,  sootshekhar, Drakshadi churna, with anupan as. limejuice. sherbat or. shikanji.

Vd. Kalpesh Makvana Surat: raktmokshan is also helpful at jugular vein in pittaj shirhshul

Mr.  Jamanbhai Malaviya : Lajjalu, ekangvir rad, samirpannag rad, khurasani owa,

Vd. Rajal shukla: Ashwgandha dry powder extrect with Durva ras gives good result in shirshool

Vd. Pragna mehta: Apamargkshar,godantigive good result.

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Vd prerakbhai, I personally think differently, W must consider dd of any disease, W must something different and try to coreleate with ayurved,Other wise w missed the diagnosis

Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara: My father( Vd pravin hirpara ) he used to give patients with headache godanti with ghee and sakar early morning.  And I can Co relate it with…Calcium is known to have anti-spasmodic action, which helps alleviate headaches and migraines. However, studies have shown that when calcium is administered along with Vitamin D, it reduces the frequency of migraines in a considerable number of patients……In my personal practice I also added anti oxidants more in their diet. Which have mild vitamin C. Because of pitta aggregation sometimes. So fruits ( but not too much sour) can be taken like apples and grapes (sweet)……. Avoiding garlic and tomatoes but blood pressure also should be measured . High BP diet is different and low BP diet is totally opposite. N headache is the most common symptom of both.

Dr. Arvind panchal: Many times I see the cause of headaches is pitta...bilious...headache...So I prefer to treat pitta...if there is no other cause...

Vd. Kundan Gadhavi: headache causative factor……irregular diet-sleeping pattern , I.e. ratrijagaran, day sleep,excess intake of fast food, excessive fasting, hypoglycemia - it is told in ayurveda that a person should not keep gap more than 6 hrs between 2 meal, seasonal changes-rutu sandhi, post viral infection, alcohol, smoking,  excess intake of coffee, excessively watching TV ,poor ventilation and less oxygenated environment, vegavadharan-suppression of natural urges etc….. headache due to any disease………..CVD,HTN, hypotension, atherosclerosis, aneurysm, endocrinal disease , allergic disease, chronic sinusitis, infection like T.B meningitis,otitis media, trauma, encephalitis etc………according to cause we have to decide treatment…...which broadly can be categorised as, mechanical factor, chemical factor, neurogenic factor, psychogenic factor…………….treatment : pathyadi kwath,sootshekhar rasa,laxmivilas rasa,brahmi vatee,medhya rasayan,godanti are treatment

Vd. Manahar Prajapati: नित्य स्नेहआदृ शिरसः शिरशूलं न जायते...now days we avoided hair oil it is also reason for headache mostly vatik shirshool tension headache...

Do. Yogesh Patil: Dashmool ghrita nasya in Headache with Pathyadi kwath/vati

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what is Allergy (any kind of)? #Ayurveda approach..and management

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Germany Helga Fuchs: Allergy: lifestyle, food, (incompatible food), any wrong contakt for prakrti. Food allergy is incompatibility of food  (Rasa, veerya, vipaka, with strenght of agni).  Digestion is disturbed. Ama.

Vd. Ajay Pithiya: Allergy  also denoted as hypersensitivity..  When a person or his body reacts stronlgy against any substance (live or dead) by the virtue of symptoms …..We can understand this by an example.. If pakistan army fight with indian army during war time its normal (no allergy), but if pakistani army continues the attack during cease fire also, this is called hypersensitivity…….Immune mechanism is responsible for this reactions..  Ayurveda stated this as bala (बल)…..Ayurveda scripts supports 3 types of bala.. 

Sahaj (सहज) natural - from the birth time,  natural immunity…..Kalaj (कालज) -  as growth nd development take place..  Kalaj bala increases….Yuktikrut (युक्तिकृत) - by the mean of healthy diet nd life style and with use of some drugs we can acquire this bala …….So for any of allergic reaction (allergic rhinitis or atopic dermatitis) besides the symptomatic management bala vruddhi (बलवृद्धि) is needed..  Which can be achieved by immunomodulator drugs….The word Bala (बल) simply means strength

Dr. Dipak Shirude:  Nowadays, Allergy is a trump card word. Whenever a medical practitioner fails in diagnosis or patient can not be relieved in stipulated time, allergy is declared. Many times being on safer side and not to loose the patient at earliest, practitioners use this word vigorously. Many patients also put them into the patients chair, saying that he is a sufferer of allergy.  First we have to see the patient thoroughly with all the Ayurved concepts especially from responsible factors (hetu or nidaan) and then doshik involvement in the samprapti i.e. flowchart of progress of an ailment. Once we decide dosh responsible for his signs and symptoms, we can plan shodhan and shaman chikitsa as per the situation. This will cure him. Then we have to make arrangement for apunarudbhav chikitsa which will avoid recurrence of the disease.  Generally what we denote allergy is pratishyaya or pinas or a kind of kushtha i.e. skin disorder. If we go by above criterion, we get success. And there remains no question of allergy. Yet, the terms said in Ayurved as ……..Saatmya - Asatmya - Oksatmya  are somewhat nearer to the so called allergy.

Consumption of an Asatmya causes imbalance of doshas and therefore result into an ailment. There is ample description of such things scattered in samhitas. One can find it if he tries to go through the samhitas in that regard or intention. Charak has even stated about Asatmya Jal i.e. drinking water. If someone migrated in the area where he or she cannot suit the water available there, he should not give up but with time he will make his body adjustable to suit the available water. These minute things described in samhitas are a great vision provided to us and we can create effective policy against the real allergic conditions.

The recent example of water reveals the fact that every time we can not run away from causative factors but we have to mould our natural psychosomatic tendency to adjust with the nature. And we are doing it currently also. We consume so many pesticides and artificial things which are like poison but we are surviving. This is nature. We are adjusting many many Asatmya things nowadays. These Asatmya, we can say allergens are all around us. In our air, water, food, fruits, vegetables, oils, ghrit, our clothing ... nothing is exempted from allergens. Only some of us, sometimes get ill and we have all the therapies in Ayurved like Panchkarma, Rasayan chikitsa and Swasthvritta rules as well as Aacharan to save humanity from these hazardous unwanted allergens.

After a long long thinking and studying principles of Ayurved ad well as many preparations available in market, I have found some great formulations that we can randomly use to tackle successfully these so called allergic situations. Some of the main contents I can state here are : 3 well-known rasayan fruits, shwet sariwa, guggulu, kanchanar, rajani etc.

Finally I can state that, an Ayurved vaidya should not make himself confused in modern way of thinking about allergy. Just forget that hypersensitivity and that histamine and all those hypotheses. Only see the patient, his constitution, his way of living, his detailed history regarding his illness and make pure Ayurved treatment plan for him including samshodhan as well as shaman chikitsa. Show him pathway for ideal healthy living. Take keen observation of the patients routine even about teeth and mouth washing - bathing soaps - hair oils etc. everything. Find faults and correct them. That is all to conquer over allergy !!!

Dr. Meghdoot Satvekar:  In allergy their is vat , patta prakope , may be due to worm infestation , main content of hingwastak churn is hingu which is  used  indigestion and other stomach problems. Its anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant properties alleviate upset stomach, intestinal gas, intestinal worms, flatulence. so I suggest to add this along with other medicine .

Satyen: Can nasya of Anu tail help in dealing with allergy?

Dr. Prerak Shah: Yes. Nasya treatment can be helpful to counteract respiratory allergies. Medicine came be anu oil or any other as per the case may be.

Satyen: Even nasya of cow ghee or waxing with erand tail may be helpful... I suppose..

Dr. Arun Tiwari: Eosinophilia can be idiopathic (primary) or, more commonly, secondary to another disease. allergic or atopic diseases are the most common causes, especially those of the respiratory or integumentary systems. In the developing world, parasites are the most common cause. A parasitic infection of nearly any bodily tissue can cause eosinophilia. Diseases that feature eosinophilia as a sign include the following:

Allergic disorders - Asthma[4], Hay fever[4], Drug allergies[4], Allergic skin, diseases[4], Pemphigus[4] Dermatitis herpetiformis

In allergic asthma "ghrit bhrashtr Haridra" controls eosinophils, practically I useses yoga of malla specially 'suvarn sameer pannag ras', and skin allergies rasmanikya is best medicine.

Dr. J. T. Contractor: I think body metabolism of individual defers,it accepts certain food, matches a particular atmosphere,skin too tolerates certain type of cloth,& rejects other types could b allergy! V find people taking 3-4 days old cooked food & digest well( beggars etc), but some people eat next day food falling sick or some times food poisoning! I think allergy has some thing to do with immunity! Stronger is the immunity lesser may b the after effects! It seems, a very thin line in between

Vd. Bhavesh Thakkar: Haridrakhand i hv found very useful in most of allergies. It can be combined with other drugs according to conditions. Haridra is dry, good for skin, good for prameha, blood disorders, swelling, anemia and wound.

Dr. Sujata Vaidya: Allergy sufferers have deep fear and low esteem issues.  Allergies have no known aetiology .... treatment is usually to overcome debility caused by the trigger.  It us essential to resolve psychological aversion for any medication to work long term. Allergies disappear just as allergies appear....

Dr. Sumita Jaiswal: I have a recent patient of chronic allergic kandu...as well as allergic rhinitis...was giving him oral medication like khadirarista, panchanimba, virechak etc...but symptoms were fluctuating....for sometimes he felt totally relieved but in few days...symptoms recurred...now I have referd him for panchakarma....done wid vamana n now vasti would b done....so I feel in chronic patients of allergy....proper sodhan karma is necessary 1stly...wats every1s perspective?

Dr. Pradip Mohan Sharma Jaipur: Vaman and virechan, both are tremendously result oriented

Dr. Sumita Jaiswal: Similarly there was a father daughter duo wid eosnophilia....father was treated successfully wid oral medications but d daughter aged 3 yrs is still treatment..  There is reddish pimples like rashes all over her body wid itching....frankly I feel scared to apply some of our medicines to such a small child....plz guide…

Dr. Pradip Mohan Sharma Jaipur: Medicines are not very effective in many cases but PK is brilliantly good

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Alum salt (fitakdi) de solved in water & skin be washed with this water without wiping skin b exposed to tender sun rays, ( no soap shampoo for long time), apply malkankni oil gently on skin, repeat till optimum results

USA Parulben: For child pl use curd+ backing soda will give u drametic result. 1/2 cup curd + 1 spoon backing soda. Bath with karan soap. Sorry! This is for local application not to eat. Curd and soda you can apply 3 times/ day.

Dr. Arun Tiwari: Dr. Sumita kandu is not allergic condition. Kandu is similar to scabies. I think you are talking about Sheetpitta, udard and koth these are similar to allergie. The treatment is very different in each. Tankan is more effective than alum But this is temporary lakshnik treatment.

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Curd be acidic on skin if possible avoid

Dr. Arun Tiwari: Only ruksh swedan controls  acute condition of allergy like sheetpitt. Eczema (vicharchika) is chronic condition of allergy.

USA Parulben: Well we can eat curd even though it is acidic and curd and rice is first healthy protein rich food for child. Curd and honey first healthy shampoo for new born.

Dr. Jinal Thakkar: In Sheeta pitta or udarda even paribhadra works good as local application…I had used paribhadra ghrita…Itching is curbed… And so are the thick red eruptions

Dr. Arun Tiwari: I agree with Dr Ajmera in children its good use of curd is soumya do not harm skin.

Baroda Arti parimal: Make a paste of shami or khejada leaves apply on affected  part leave it for 15 minutes take bath with Luke warm water. After bathing apply rose water , glycerin and karpoor. Vachellia nilotica =khejada

Germany Helga Fuchs: How is general food for this child? In India most of small childs eat same spicy food as parents and many react with problems. Parents have to understand that spicy food for childs is creating problems. No information here about this point? If this simple regular habit is in right direction, big treatments most time not needed. Rice and Curd, for me is to heavy in this condition. Maybe needed about age, but in actual condition to much. applikation ok, Takra, butter milk, is, as I have my experiences more easy.

Dr. Sumita Jaiswal: Have prescribed tankan to d child for local application bt wat abt oral med?  Kapha aggravation should b there...n also she is a child….Hmmm curd n soda combo is new for me...for sure will try on some patients ....thanks… Allergic kasa n swasa patients r very much affected by d house in which they r living ...one of my patients was relieved only after he changed his room which was more airy n spacious....so avoiding d nidan is very much necessary…..

Dr. Dipali Poshtiwala: For skin allergy jatayadi ghrut, chandraprabhavati no. 2 very useful…Agreed with psychological factors bz of that allergy more occurs

Shri Minoo parabia: In cases of severe urticaria use this as first aid. Apply fresh juice of Nagarvel leaves.  Piper betel is Nagarvel. Even for asthma swaskuthar given with nagarvel leaf yields good result.

Exi kir: When body reacts badly to some elements like dust, fragrances, fur etc. it is called allergy. Allergy causes caugh or cold or head ache or itching or scares on skin etc.

Spain Juan Carlo Carlos: allergy is caused for accumulatiom of ama in the body..it leads to a continuos hiper activity of the innmune system and an  over reaction to external toxins...under my experience drecreasig or cleanig excess  of ama inmediatly improves allegy syntoms

Mrugesh j. parikh advocate: Prarakbhai,  thanks for this topic.... I am suffering from allergy since last 5 years... It starts from the end of February and goes after Holi ...

Dr. Sheetal Sumra: Which allergy?

Dr. Priti Vikas Agrawal: I have a alleragy of dust n daily in morning after wake up  sneezing is started about 15 -20 times in one attack .. Allergy of artificial jewellary also ..any type of like bangles swelling in hand ..earings redness in ear .. Necklase itching n rashes on neck

Dilip Patel: That is due to nikle metal which is used to bring shine in poling process.

Dr. Priti Vikas Agrawal: But this type of allergy is happened only with me ..not with my sister n mother…They also wear this jewellary

Dilip Patel: This depends on person to person. Wear jewellery of silver or polised without nickle process

Spain Juan Carlo Carlos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perilla_frutescens.....i had a very good experience using this plant as infussion three times a day for skinn chemical products allergy

Mrugesh j. parikh advocate: I am having allergy of pollen... Sneezing 400 to 500 with running nose, severe irritation inside nose, cough,  burning corners of eyes,  unable to breath with nose... Etc...

 Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Allergy and hypersensitivity both are different terms..don't be confused as same term...

Dr. Prerak Shah: @Vd. Pankajbhai: Pl elaborate

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Hypersensitivity means exaggerated immune response... Allergy is a type of hypersensitivity... Actually real meaning of hypersensitivity is - any tissue damaging immune reaction..there are four types of hypersensitivity , first three are antibody mediated hypersensitivity and fourth is cell mediated hypersensitivity....hypersensitivity is broad term mainly include allergy and autoimmunity... Allergy is caused by hypersensitivity of immune system....allergen are always ……Foreign, while there are other types of hypersensitivity where allergns are not foreign..example for autoimmunity where self tissue become immunogenic and immune response become exaggerated  against immunogenic tissue, called autoimmune disease.. So this condition of autoimmunity is called type 2 hypersensitivity..

Pulastya Vora: The tuber of fresh ginger has moisture I.e. Aadrata from which it is known as Adrak while when it becomes dry  - the condition is called Sushkta from which term coined is Sunthi

Vd. Hardik bhatt: A body shows a reaction on a special substance is like allergy ...It may be due to low immunity….To react allergy we have to fight 3 ways .. 1. To protect 2. Improve immunity 3. Remove extra aamdosh or toxins which r already in body ... By panchkarm o by medicine or by diet regimen

Dr. Sheetal Sumra: One patient walked in @clinic, Age 54 yr Old, She complains of DOE, Wheezing sound. Dryness in nose..  Currently she is on steroids…Since 6yrs….She has allergy of pigeon……I have started her with snehan, swedan, Nasya, Yoga, In 3sitting wheezing sound has reduced…

IPR Chhayaben: My brother had dust allergy which was solved by eating fresh ginger regularly with salt n lemon

Dr. Nikhil Baxi: sheetapitta relieved by eating ginger.

Dr. Pulastya Vora: Allergy and inflammation are reactions of our body against harmful substances. So they are not diseases but warnings given by our body. It is known as Prati (against or anti) Urjata (energy) or Praturjata. By this warnings body tries to tell us two things (1) we are come across with something which is harmful or dangerous to our life. (2) our body is not yet prepared to accept the substance or situation or body is yet to find out the process to detoxify (shodhan) the substance before it does any harm. So consider that it is a God-gifted time or God-sent opportunity to adjust to situation or substance. It may happen that after sometime you may accommodate your self with situation or substance which today you are unable to cope up. So do not be anxious or depressed. Take the situation lightly and try to understand your body.

Dr. Rachana Mumbai: I have come across patients with allergy due to aam. My mother has allergy both skin and rhinitis….As my mother i know the reason of accumulation of aam the reason is she used to fast a lot and after 10 days of fasting or even 40days of fasting very next moment she used to have normal food and start with chapati ….Which is very very wrong .........And in such cases i feel,  shodhan and particularly vaman will be beneficial. Comments awaited

Bharat dave: I have a allergy of lemon(limbu) i can not take single drop of lemon…Vomit all the food after taken lemon please give me the advise what i have to do? I always avoid food with lemon and never think about lemon juce

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Allergy is an individual's sensitivity to an foreign substance that is usually harmless..when allergy cause tissue damage ,its called type 1 tissue damaging allergic hypersensitivity.. There are 4 types of hypersensitivity

There are two types of type 1 hypersensitivity.  1) localised type 1 hypersensitivity----➡allergic rhinitis, allergic conjunctivitis, allergic angio oedema, hay fever, skin- hives, food allergy   2) generalized type 1 hypersensitivity➡anaphylactic shock, urticaria, respiratory distress...

Diagnostic test for allergy:

1) skin prick test  2) RAST- radio allegro immuno sorbent test …… ATOPY:- familial tendency to make IGE more frequently against the common environmental substances which in most population is non reactive..in atopy, father mother son all are allergic to particular allergen.. …..THYMUS:- thymus plays important role in education of lymphocytes... Tolerance or intolerance of lymphocytes against various allergens depends on education of lymphocytes in thymus during childhood... Recent studies suggest that diverse populations of regulatory T cells play an important role in regulating T helper type 2 responses to allergen. Thymus is active during childhood...so various immune modulators regimens of ayurveda can play important role in developing good immunity during childhood..

Ayurveda concept of allergy:-

In Ayurveda allergy is described as Asatmaya(incompatible- increasing discomfort)... There are four types of asatmaya:   1. rutu(season) asatmaya: its generally observed that pts with rhinitis have maximum presentation of signs and symptoms in rainy and spring seasons......2⃣ Desha(country/habitat) asatmaya: though living in the same environment conditions, some people remains healthy while only few of them will be allergic to certain things..example for some people develop asthma/ acidity in coastal area while some remain healthy. Traveller diarrhoea is also example of this type..in treatment of acidity, Kashyapa has mentioned leaving of anupa (coastal) Desha as a ultimate option of treatment…..3⃣ Roga (disease)asatmaya: Sour and fermented items increase problem of urticaria. …4⃣ oaka(Naturally) asatmaya: its depend on prakriti of individual...cold is not comfortable for kapha prakriti...

VIRUDDHA AHARA(unwholesome diet) :

Viruddha ahara may give rise to many chemical reactions in our body, which can't be visualized. It may be affecting the cellular body built and its chemical constituents..

Management of allergy in ayurveda:

Prakruta kapha(physiological kapha) is considered as Bala(immunity), while vikruta kapha (pathological kapha) is considered as mala(cause of disease)- cha.su.17...while ojas is also play important role in built of immunity. This ojas is type of kapha(cha.sha.7) which manifest during embryological life and its responsible for innate immunity(sahaj bala)..so in ayurveda , to develop sahaj bala(innate immunity) one should focus on healthy conception.

To develop yuktikruta bala (acquired immunity) , one should focus on normal development of children. As childhood is stage of kapha, one should focus increase prakruta kapha by various regimens like exercise ,consuming. Chyavanprasha (बालानां च अंगवधँनानां-    promote normal development of child),suvarna prasha etc.. …..Still one suffer from allergy in adulthood, various kamya rasayana should be used as rasayana drugs are immuno modulator.

➡Hay fever-  Nasya, pippali

➡respiratory allergy- Chyavana prasha, Shirisha, triphala, vasa, bhallataka, Vacha, honey

➡allergy related to eye triphala

➡food allergy- vidanga, shunthi, pippali,kutaja.

➡ skin allergy- bhring raja, tuvaraka, yastimadhu,Grapes,  daily abhyanaga...

- Dr.Pankaj (assistant professor)

Colombia Dr. Sandra Milena Galvis: excellent explanation . thanks…A modern explanation of the concept is syndrome permeability of the intestinal mucosa

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Day by day various types of immunization are increased..in Ayurveda ,research should be done on effects of immunization on immunity(specially allergy).. 1⃣In first group ,only ayurvedic immuno modulator such as chyavana prasha, suvarnaprasha, Brahma rasayana should be given to children……2⃣ in second group only various  modern immunization should be given…….3⃣ in third group, both ayurveda and modern immunization should be given……Then effects on immunity(allergy related problems in childhood/ adulthood) in all three group should be checked……..Allergens are some one like poison in characteristic of ashukari.. There are some drugs which are vyavayi and have good effects of anti allergen. Maricha (piper nigrum)and vacha (calamus)are such type of drugs having very good effects against food and respiratory allergy...Shirish(albizzia lebbeck) is considered as Vishaghna dravya(anti poison) which is also very good in allergic respiratory problems..

Vd. Hardik J. Patel- MD: Haridrakhand avaleh in skin allergy and respiratory allergy

Colombia Dr. Sandra Milena Galvis: In Colombia we do not have permission to Ayurvedic medicines. All we handle it with food and some therapies. What do you think of intolencia gluten that is different from celiac disease? And his relationship with certain allergies

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: The first characteristic of ama is Pichchhilata(sticky ness). Gluten is also derived from glu means stickyness. So indigestion of gluten leads production of ama which is sticky. Trikatu will be drug of choice in gluten sensitivity…….If there is Ayurveda medicine is not allowed,u can use in food too.

In India people , gluten is main contain in diet..but along with gluten containing articles, we use many spicy herbs in daily diet which are antagonist to gluten...

Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: Use of. Roasted. Cuminseeds i e Jeera useful in. G I problems, it helps to overcome stickiness of the stool. removal of. Ama. should be consumed in. powder form.

Dr. Pulastya Vora: Continuing discussion on allergy; it is said that one man's medicine may be another's poison. For e.g. one can digest raw milk; one after boiling while another after adding dry ginger or pippalimool. So do not compare yourself with others. It is said that each and every patient is a separate textbook of medicine. So consider that how unique your body constituent is! Read your body as textbook of medicine or develop a separate area in brain as AID- Allergy Investigation Department and aid your body to find out what pitches you as allergen. As soon as you get a clue discuss with your doctor.

Vd. Pulkit D. Patel: in ayurveda there are some contents …..shitapitta (urticaria)….udarda(giant urticaria)……kotha(roseola)……have same lakshana as like allergy…..in ayurveda aama is responsible for this deases……. dhatvagnimandhya is responsible for aama formation .have purvaroopa like:-pipasa, aruchi, dehasada, anga gaurava, rakta lochanta,  roopa like: varti dansata sansthana, shotha, kandu, chardi, vidah, jwara

Vd Pranjlin Kavar: My daughter was having a severe allergic reaction to milk and all types of milk products by birth. She get cure by powder of dry date and air roots of ficus religiosa ( pipado in Gujarati).

 Germany Rabia: A 4 months old daughter of friend of mine has very bad rashes on stomach, face, lower abdominal. It should be allergic??What it can be.. Mother is not eating pitta inducing food anymore

Usa Vaduvur S. Narayan: Allergies to pigeons is well documented in allopathic medical literature.  Treatment is not very effective

 Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Most common genetic defect is lactase deficiency..so many people living with lactase deficiency, mill is not suitable for them, on consuming milk they get abdominal cramps, bloating, and diarrhoea, in ayurveda we called it Mrudu Koshtha...its known as milk allergy (actually its genetic defect)in lay man term... In this case boiling milk should be given with ginger...People living with pigeons should take nasya daily..and consume Chyavanprasha to boost immunity

Dr. Kumar S. K. : In any type of allergy related to poisonous or non poisonous immediate remedy is 1betel leaf+1tsf of pepper+1tsf of crystal salt, crush all these and give orally 1 pinch every 10 min..we have tried in many animal species and pts.