Sneha dravya - Theraputic uses

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Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: Sneha dravya as said by charaka is  "स्नेहनम स्नेह विश्यन्द मार्दव क्लेद कारकम" Means drug which provides oleation, liquifies dosha, brings softness and bring kleda (?mosturisaton or liquification ) is called  snehan drug. So we should use snehana drug for these purpose. Sneha dravyas has three main indications 1) shaman sneha-pacifys doshas 2)sodhan sneha-liquify doshas 3) bruhan sneha-- increases dhatus. According to this three purpose we all  are choosing and using sneha dravyas. Shaman sneha is usually given as per this text" शमनो क्षुधतो अनअन्नो मध्य मात्र च सश्यते। Shaman sneh usually given before food and when patient is hungry. It is given in medium dose.                                                                                                                                                                 

Shail H. Bhavsar: Sarpi, Taila, Vasa, Majja Are 4 main snehas. Among them ghrit is best b'cz of sanskar-anuvartan guna.

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Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: सर्पि मज्जा वसा तैलं स्नेहशु प्रवरम मतं। तत्रापि च उत्तमम सर्पि संस्कारस्यानु वर्तनात पित्तघनास्ते यथा पूर्वं।अमितर्घ्न यथोतरं। सर्पि is Best as pitta samak as per order Sarpi > majja> vasa> tailam For pitta saman and for vat samak  Sarpi < majja<vasa< tailam

Ayulink: For past 70 years, US FDA mentioned Sneha (All kinds od Fat) in restricted items list for health aspect. Fat is increasing cholesterol. Fat is responsible for cardiac disorders etc....Now the same FDA has reversed its actions. Now Fat is not in restricted list. They declared that there is no cholesterol, no good cholesterol, no bad cholesterol. Now american heart specialists say that Fat or cholesterol is not any more responsible for heart attacks and other cardiac diseases.

Ayurveda has clear view about Fats and its role in body maintenance. Ayurveda has classified sneh in three categories according to actions. Fat can be used for pacification of symptoms, it can be used for nourishment in the body and also can be used for detoxification process.

There is a recent trend in west about LCHF diet (Low Calorie High Fat) diet to loose weight. This is again very difficult to understand. People who follows this diet plan, they dont take wheat, rice or grains...they just take vegetables and fruits and some milk products, (if the person is not vegan). But on the other hand they consume lot of Fat....ghee, cheese, paneer, peanut, almonds etc.....and surprisingly they loose weight. I have few patients who follow such diet prog. I cant understand this. How come high intake of fat can help to reduce weight?

Vd. Sachin Kadlag: During snehapaana also, when patient takes only ghee in morning and meal only at dinner for 5 to 7 days, follows all rules of snehapaana parihaar, in most patients  2 to 4 kg weight is lost .

Ayulink: How it is possible, as we have learner that samanam Guna vardhanam. Means fat will increase fat (meda dhatu) in the body.

Croatia Branko Markovic: Noticed the same thing during sneha pana even 3 days will put of up to 7 kg from my experience

Vd. Sachin Kadlag: This is possible only when snehapaana parihaar is followed. Here we should think about poshana of saara meda dhatu , and nullification of  asaara meda . The ayurvedic logical theory behind this seems to be koshtha-shaakha gati .

Slovenia Anoop S. Anand: I think the logic lies in the fact that body will absorb the required amount of fat and the rest will line up the lumen of g.i tract and quantity above that fat will be excreted out as such..Just as we see in samyak snigdh lakshana during ghritpana..ghrita comes out through stools..Same way pure fat (oil/ghee) will come out through stools...also when excess fat is consumed the food passes through g.i tract faster (in fact slides through g.i tract)..Leading to lesser absorption and excretion of partially digested food..Hence the weight loss

Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: It depends on the matra of snehana as I discussed before

Slovenia Anoop S. Anand: As i said like samyak snigdha

Dr. R Prathiban: If we take carbohydrate ultimately it has to be converted into glucose for absorption of glucose insulin is needed or if excess glucose is taken it is stored as glycogen if it is unutilized will be converted into fatty acids, if we take high fat and low carbohydrate there is no need of insulin for its absorption, body makes glucose from fatty acids so production of fat is reduced in body. In LCHF diet also HDL will increase. We select dose for sneha pana but for LCHF diet dose is not selected, it is there daily food, it is digested and absorbed, they take only high fat foods, if everything comes out means how they survive. Is there any standardized method to calculate snehapana dose on the basis of kostha for shodana procedures? And how dose for shamana sneha is calculated?

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Jaaranshakti anuman for deciding the dose of snehpaan, more Jaaranshakti means more Agni , more Sneh but upto maximum dose or Uttam Matra of Sneh, otherwise more Sneh will increase Agni..leading to Bhasmak avastha.

Dr. R Prathiban: Standardized protocols needed nowadays, how to quantify agni and dose in milliliters

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Sneh here is assumed Cows Ghee. For other Sneha's, only  on the basis of Jaaranshakti. or rate and quality of digestiive power. I think Vd. Vasant Patil has done for Koshtha on the basis of Agni. The same method can b used to objectify the aagni n dose of Sneh.

Dr. R Prathiban: Before starting snehapana usually subject is prior administer with deepana and pachana so agni is corrected. Then why we have to consider agni as a dose deciding criteria

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.researchgate.net/project/Standardization-of-Panchakarma-Procedures&hl=en-IN&tg=955&tk=4806922636401895738

Dr. R Prathiban: Consider mridu, madhyama and krura kostha what will be the dose of cows ghee in these kosthas?

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: No if Aamavastha, pramathi dravyas like Mari sunthi are used for snehpaan. The existence of diseases itself  means Agni is not Samyak.

Dr. R Prathiban: If agni is not proper we can't give sneha

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Krur koshthi will need more than mrudu as Samyak Sneh lakshanas will need to be seen and dose of Sneh will have to be adjusted as per that. Still Cows Ghee can be given as it is Agnivardhak. siddha ghrut.

Dr. R Prathiban: Charaka mentioned about "hrisiyasi matra" how to decide hrisiyasi matra what is this in milliliters. Practically in all diseases we are not doing shodana and not in all avastha of disease shodana is advised, if we plan shodana with shenana as purva karma we have to correct agni

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: 30ml is accepted popularly as Hrusiyaasi maatra.  On the basis of How much measure of Sneh, a person on an average,  can easily digest. Not exactly correct Agni. But Protect Agni. Because Shodhana Karma too cause Agnimaandya

Dr. R Prathiban: Who decided it as 30ml is it arbitrary value or any evidence based selection. For that we do paschat karma

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Please see this. Ongoing project Standardization. Everyone does as per his or her understanding of Agni.and Maatra.

Dr. R Prathiban: I agree we assume ourselfs and we do what we like to do. But things has to approached scientifically

Dr. Supratim Bir: Agni is d decider of snehamatra, there is no alternative that's for sure. Actually we are addicted to modern protocols, which count on formula considering a constant. But I do believe every individual is unique with their biological parameters. Modern protocols, particularly in case of medicine are loosing efficacy nowadays. Ayurveda is highest level of personalized medical science, can't be generalized.

Dr. R Prathiban: Let me elaborate my question on the basis of agni and kostha 1. Let as assume three 3 individuals with manda agni with Madhya kostha theekshna agni with mridu kostha, vishama agni with krura kostha. How you are going to decide sneha matra for samana sneha and shodana sneha.  2. Whether hrisiyasi matra sneha should be same or different for above condition.  3. How to measure effect of hrisiyasi matra in above conditions

Dr. Supratim Bir: Now I will ask what is the condition u considered for snehapaan

Dr. R Prathiban: Condition is pakshagata and shodana planned is virechanam

Dr. Supratim Bir: So in this case why to go for snehapaan, we can plan snigdha virechan with castor oil itself. We can start over 10, 15 & 20ml of Gandharba hastadi castor oil initially for nitya virechan. As per above mentioned kostha Or we can plan any of the  asthapan vasti, so that we can plan better as per kostha. My request to forum to consider my words as tadvidyasambhasha, u r welcomes to correct me. I will feel privileged

Dr. Siva Kumar: Can Fruits taken during snehapana?

Dr. R Prathiban: Im trying to discuss about poorva karma with sneha pana followed by shodana.

 Vd. Pritam Bharat Veer:  Sneha Kalpana is a special mixture of ghee and other medicinal drugs. Ghee has several medical properties which can help increase the element of Agni without causing imbalance in Pitta. It increase the Ojas or the essence of energy. Especially suitable for Vata related ailments, Sneha Kalpana is sucessfully used for treating various disorders of the nerves and the mind, skin conditions etc.

Achapana Snehapana- Vicharana Snehapana is the consumption of Sneha (ghee), non-medicated or medicated form. This is not mixed with any other medical preparation or food items. It is used for lubricating and softening the tissues of the human body before carrying out the Sodhana therapy of Panchakarma. Vicharana Snehapana is the consumption of oil with other Ayurvedic medicines and other food products. It is also used for the lubrication purposes of the various parts of the human body. This can move through the rectal pathway, known as the Vasthi or the nasal pathway, known as the Nasya. External Oleation This process is also known as the Bahya Sneha. Externally, the treatment is carried out in the form of Siro Abyangam or Head massage, oil pulling or gargles, Abhyangam or Oil Massage and Lepa. I use Siddha ghrut in my daily practice. As I found a very good results.I use  panchatikta ghrut, Mahatiktak ghrut, Guggultiktak ghrut, Mahaklyanak, Kalyanak, Sukumarak ghrut etc. Ghrut kalpna prepared by Kerala company give nice results. I rarely use only Sneha  ,I use Siddha Sneha  , also sidhha teil for external use also nasya..

Dr. Piyush Dodiwadiya: In case of trauma The orthopedic surgeon says one should not do any massage over injured part, but ayurveda says do snehan (external)  Practically i have seen if we do massage over injured area then swelling markedly increased But the result due to massage with ayurvedic tail or ghee is i don't know

Vd. Pritam Bharat Veer:  Yes I also have seen very good results of bahya Sneha , murivenna tail dhara. HV seen re- union of two ends.

Ayulink: Gandh tail in fractures gives faster healing

Dr. Sushant Patil: Aabha and Lakshadi Guggul also have faster healing results. Use Of Sandhaniya Gana is also beneficial

Ayulink: Basically Sneha is used for building all dhatu.  What I believe.

Gary Yuen: Fat helps deliver nutrients to various tissues, per formulas, and included with food, so in itself it is not harmful. But certain fats such as in the form of regular use of oil instead of whole fats (sesame seed, olive, shredded coconut, nuts, etc.) has been shown to be harmful. The FDA, as well as the whole of medical studies, is influenced by industry, and it is difficult to trust general guidelines. As recently mentioned, many general testing procedures have been shown to be unbeneficial or harmful, for the same reasons.

Ayulink: What abt yamak Sneh? Mixture of two diff kind of sneha, e.g oil + ghee, or ghee + majja.

Gary Yuen: Of the handful of Western doctors that can be trusted, it's generally said that total cholesterol below 150 makes one free from risk of heart attack. I do not know about ghee or oil for therapeutic use. For vata, perhaps. Ghee is mentioned in earlier pre-ayurvedic texts such as the Upanishads though that could be a later interpolation. Ancient use of oil or ghee is unknown. According to early archaeological evidence, I think atasi (linseed oil) has been found. Ghee, it may have been according to season, considering the condition of the cow, breed, place, moment, etc. According to the Mahabharata, consumption of milk and ghee as it is done today, mass produced, would be adharm. It would also go against strict Jain rules for preparation. Ancient diet included many much healthier wild plants that few now eat (mustard leaves, amaranthus, chenopodium, flowers, etc.) that may have somewhat counteracted possible harmful effects of oil/ghee. Mass produced ghee is also quite different than made according to strict classical rules.I think amalaki has been shown to have powerful anti-diabetic and cholesterol lowering effects. Wild plants, fruits or vegetables, that we no longer eat, likely had higher anti-oxidant effects compared to modern foods or varieties of radish, eggplant, okra, etc. Dried amalaki has hundreds of times the antioxidants compared to blueberres and other common fruits. Between that and common foods, there's a wide range of nutrients and antioxidants that those living in cities no longer use. Highest known Vitamin C levels I've found are 5000 mg per 100 g, in a few fruits such as an australian variety of phyllanthus, relative of amalaki. 100x that of oranges. Between the highest and lowest, there's a wide range throughout nature. Various other foods such as raktasali are also no longer commonly eaten.Few people live past 100 w/o need for a doctor. Because of that, I think much needs to be questioned if one wants to attain what should be easily possible. I'm not sure if many well known ancient doctors or brahmins achieved as such. It's said Ramanuja might have lived to 120. As North India faced more invasion and other factors that changed dietary habits, perhaps more traditional habits can be found in Tamil Siddha texts.

Vd. Sureshbhai Chavda: Also given asthi shrunkhala ghrut in internal sneha

Shail H. Bhavsar: What is avpeedak sneha? What are the indications?

 Vd. Pritam Bharat Veer:  Can you tell the dose and also of Gandh teil ?

Dr Piyushbhai Prajapati: 10 Drops in one cup of milk..acc.to me.. Sometimes in dry coughing; i used to give any mixture formulation by mixing cow ghee and til oil..

 Vd. Pritam Bharat Veer:  I am also using Gandha teil in mouth ulcers. Good results. Also used for my kid in Acute Tonsillitis. Can you tell abt Asthi shrunkhala teil ??

Vd. Sachin Kadlag: I give 6 drops of Gandha taila in milk twice a day in adult and specially empty stomach in morning around  7 am and in evening around 5 to 6 pm

Shri Minoo parabia: Sold under the name, Spondygo is useful in Spondylitis and bone fracture healing.

Ayulink: Anybody has any comment or input for the use of majja?

Vd. Sureshbhai Chavda: Aja majja sidhh oil use in muscular distropy.

Gary Yuen: any opinions about atasi? Among some modern doctors, tila and atasi, as well as walnuts, are ranked among the best seeds and nuts, though with atasi being better. Other names of atasi include haimavati and uma, perhaps relating to Parvati?

 Vd. Pritam Bharat Veer:  Ajay majja for basti , for  degenerative changes in joints

Vd Rameshwar Dhanaji: how to prepare majja sidha oil and its dosage?

Dr. Vivek D. Shah: Yes.it is very helpful.one of my friend was doing thesis work on majja basti & got excellant result in parkinsion and in शुक्रक्षय

Dr. Piyush Dodiwadiya: Most of the time Snehpan is very difficult to pt Before panchkarm we used it in very large dose Can we use ryles tube for that?

Dr. Mrugeshkumar: Acharya says direct  senhpan , recent we use any practical method for snehpan..? please guide..

 Vd. Pritam Bharat Veer:  Sir it's very funny question but no we can't do

Dr. Piyush Dodiwadiya:Sir Practically I am asking With RT its very easy Why we can't do any specific reason?

 Vd. Pritam Bharat Veer:  No specific reason but RT will become very painful for patients rather than having 30-60-90 ml ghrut in seconds. Instead we can advise to drink at once directly in throat.

Dr Piyushbhai Prajapati: What is role of achhapey ?

Dr. Mrugeshkumar Patel: can we use cap for sneh pan?!

Dr Piyushbhai Prajapati: No.. its waste idea.. for snehpaan of 50ml;pt has to take 20 caps

Gary Yuen: If it's not generally known, as our world is polluted, bone and majja has been found to have high levels of lead. It accumulates in bone, including ours, and other pollutants accumulate in fat. Perhaps majja should be limited to cases where there is no other option, or one perhaps should follow if possible using majja from wild forest animals such as those listed among those to keep in hospitals per classical texts. As we are carriers of hundreds of environmental pollutants, it may be advised to regularly fast and strictly follow diet to minimize such accumulation. Keeping body fat levels at only what is necessary may be best. We no longer go through periods of being without food so it is not needed to store energy for winter or other times.

Ayulink: It is not a good idea. It will be more painful and inconvenient for patient to insert RT every morning.

Sir, this is also not practical approach. Usually the dose of ghee reaches up to 120-150 gram in last days. If one cap contains 500 mg ghee, patient will need to take 240-300 capsules.

Achchapey is plain sneha. Without any other herbs or other ingredients.  Achchapey is also similar effective. But when u apply yr knowledge and add some more herbs according to patient's health condition (it is known as vicharana), it is more beneficial. I have used achchapey - plain ghee in many patients for snehpan for the purpose of Purva karma.

Dr Piyushbhai Prajapati: Sometimes i uses Achhapey as snehpaan.. and advise patient some medicine after snehpan with warm water.. For this patient can take easily sneh.. and then after because of  medicine tab with decoction etc as anupaan gives also good result to me.. so i use it.. Please comment on it sir..  For ex. Patient needed Mahatikta ghruta as sneh paan..  Then i use achhapey then after i advise patient to take 1 gm Aarogyavardhini tab with Tikt or mahatikt kasaay.. as anupaan.. Daily tab will be increased day by day.. 0.5 gm or as convenient..

Ayulink: For me this is ok. Achchapey can be used for shaman and bruhan also.

Dr. Jyoti Ashok: Certain kashaya is v. difficult for the pt. to swallow. What i do is add milk & little sugar & give like milk shake. They will easily drink that.

Croatia Branko Markovic: Very good trick is to give a patient after big dose (immediately after swallowing it) of sneha slice of lemon or orange to take a “bite”. Juice from this will clear taste of ghee and next day there will not be a problem for taking bigger doses.

Dr. Jaya Sambhus: In Ayurveda pachan starts from mouth  so if u skip primary pachan , sneh will not reach in ras dhatu So no use of snehpan . If pt refused by mouth use sneh basti It works

Ayulink: My practical approach: I usually give few nice tasty amalaki candies to patient to chew at a time...and then immediately I asked them to drink ghee or sneha in whatever dose. It is very good for patient to pass through mouth and throat..because by chewing few candies of amalaki, patient is having a coating of that taste on his tongue, throat and the original taste of ghee etc is much lesser felt. :)

Croatia Branko Markovic: This one is good  can people take lemon to chew a bit before what do you think? When taking after it clear completely taste of ghee.

Dr. Jaya Sambhus: Will try this. I used havaman harde tab n ginger pachak. It help to give good mouth test n smell with sneh pachan.

Dr. V B. Maheshwari: Approach is very good sir, with amalaki it will good for pachan of ghruta also. Harad is also very good option. In my opd its very difficult to conveyance the patients for sneha pana. But it will definitely work.

Croatia Branko Markovic: Here people don’t have a problem with taking ghee for sneha pana. even they come back all the time..only last dose when they are full is a bit problem..

Dr. Piyush Dodiwadiya: Some people used chocolate also

Dr. Samir Suneri: I using girta as a sneh dravya And using in case of constipation of old age patient. Started from 20ml per day in morning and daily I increase 10 ml for 5 to 6 days and I achieved good results

Canada Nitin Shah: Sneha dravya should be used externally and internally both and not just through the upper end of the GI Tract but also lower end of the GI tract too and from the other orifices too. See skin is the largest organ of the body and in Ayurveda it has been explained as seven layers and we can consider these 7 layers in relationship with 7 vital tissues

Mona Patel Naturopath: Four types of Snehapana dosage schedules  are indicated- Pravara Matra-Sneha digest in 24 hrs.Madhyama Matra- Sneha digest in 12 hours.Avara Matra - digest in 6hrs.Hrasiyasi Matra with arohana krama-digest in minutesThese to be fixed,keeping in view the various factors like state of agni, clinical condition,Prakruti of patient,etc.and aim of snehapana. Minimum dosage for snehapana is approximately 50ml,this can be increased gradually by 25 or 30ml every day for 3,5,and 7 days desired by the physician.  Materials Required: Before initiating the snehapana always check the all emergency and routine things.because in an emergency situation some times it may not poosible to get the required drugs,etc.Further all anupana dravya like ushna jala/hot water,yusha etc.should be kept ready. since snehapana in certain individual may cause some complaints,especially such drugs which control these effects should be kept ready.(if required). materials required some of the complaints are: Agnimandya (indigetion)-Hinguvachadi vati,chitrakadi vati. Arochaka (anorexia) -Ashtachurna,etc Sula (pain)- Shanka basma,etc Bhrama (giddiness)-Pravala pishti,etc Murcha -Kamadugdha ras,etc. and medicines required for vamana and virechana. Medicated Ghee or oil according to the requirement.Measuring glass.Hot water drinking.(boiled with Shundi+ Dhanyaka). Medicines commonly used: indukantham ghrithamGulgulu thikthakam ghritham.Mahatikthakam ghritham.Sukumara ghritham.Ksheera bala tailam.Dhanwantaram tailam,etc. Man Power: Ayurvedic Physician: 1Attendant/ Nurse: 1

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Vd. Binal Jagani: We can corelate majja dhatu with bone marrow so leukemia, thalasemia etc. Under majja dhatu disorder. In thalasemia ajja rakta basti give good result

Dr. Samir Suneri: We can corelate with bone marrow anomalies….As well as this dhatu is basic for sukra dhatu.

Dr. S.P.Deshpande: @Dr Binal.Aaja rakta basti is a viable solution.

USA Gary Yuen: do not know a lot about majja dhatu. does that affect bone and tooth strength?

Slovenia Anoop S. Anand: I would guess..Ashthi dhatu provides nourishment to Majja dhatu as per kedar kulya nyay..so asthi dhatus nourishment should be directly proportional to Majja dhatus nourishment

Dr. Uday H. Hanagal: BBR (Blood Bone Barrier ) means to reach the Majja dhatu, Ghrutha Gunataha(Mastaka Majja--Brain) & Karmataha can be do this  function. (SUSRUTA)

Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: DECREASE OF MAJJA DHATU

“asthnam majjani saushiryam bhrama timair darshanam”(as.hri. 11/19)

ASTHI SAUSHEERYA – Oteoporosis, BHRAMA – Vertigo, TIMIR DARSHANA – Blurring of vision

INCREASE OF MAJJA DHATU

“majja netrang gauravam| parvasu sthoolmulani kuryat kricchrani arunshi cha”(ah.hri.11/11)

NETRA GAURAV – Heaviness of eyes, ANGA GAURAV – Heaviness of body, Papules.

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Arpit Gupta sir pl pass on the no: of the gentleman for herbal plantation for every one.I am sorry sir if it's for interest of the entire group one must put in races time & that too for general

Bunty Gandhi: Is inCrease in majja dhatu cause  specific symptoms ? Like bine weakness , osteoporosis, etc while decrease in majja dhatu.Oh sorry.I just saw above msg..Heaviness of eyes and body..

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Majja dhatu is bone marrow, where the birth place of blood cells, regular blast of the same is within the reference range is normal, but irregular blast from bone marrow causes leukemia ( blood cancer), platelets get used faster decreased fast lowering from its reference range, while the TLC( total leucocyte count increase drastically, types of leukemia are lymphoblastic, myeloid myeloma, acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALBL) etc.TLC is white blood cells wbc

Dr. Santosh Swami: Considering intimacy of asthi and majja dhatu and formation of asthi and majja dhatu according to Charak,  we must consider kshaya of majja dhatu as of both. (Cha. Chi. 15)

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Majja the spinal cord connected with skull, dhatu the marrow, occurrence of bone

tuberculosis, caused due to the corrosive action in the constitution of the marrow

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Excellant justification .. How to correct. ?

Dr. J. T. Contractor: These days bone marrow transplant surgery done by transfusion of the blood siblings in many leukemia cases but the success rate is negligible, yet modern branch( big brother!) do it at the cost of pt's life, along with chemotherapy,as the experiment of stem cell transplantation has inspired the phenomenon! God save innocents

Canada Nitin Shah: Majja is the 6 th Dhatu and main function is feeling the space and it means that it provides fulfillment in the life. Deficiency of this tissue lead to unfulfilled life. And this we see those who have bone marrow disorder.

Dr. J. T. Contractor: If we bring back the virgin body metabolism with the help of activated organic alkaloids, slowly but steadily the hormones start balancing resulting the entire central system comes in its discipline, no matter how big & mammoth is the disease, diet control plays the supportive but major role, oxygenation, sun bath( ultraviolet rays), antioxidants, determination power, yoga all the natural & holistic methods do support the patient, irrespective of age ,sex or weight of the patient. Ayurveda has given it's share in doing so,ironically the lacking factor is the trust! We have a long & difficult steep way to go, good luck buddy

Dr. Bhaskar B Nymathi: Sir

  According to our Ācharya's Majja dhatu is present in body almost {1Anjali pramana } So Majja dhātu Can we corelate to  Mastishka Drava {Cerabro spinal fluid}.

Dr. J. T. Contractor: We are aware of the hormones controlled by brain, for example if one is upset feels sever dryness in mouth as salivary glands due to nervous condition doesn't work, similarly one doesn't get arose( stimulated) for sex due to any fears as the pituitary glands don't secret hormones to rush blood in veins for stimulating, these is controlled by brain, little deficiency in majja dhatu does effect even memory, grasping, concentrating etc, so mustiska is the power station

Dr. Sachin Utpat: We have to consider kshay-vruddhi and dushti differently.

If we consider majjadushti the reasons are उत्पेष (that is mardan) abhishyand, abhighat and most importantly viruddha Anna.

There are two types of dhatus sthayi and asthayi. All the reasons or causes which affect dhatus are affecting pravahi dhatu.

Also while considering majja dhatu it is very important to know the connections with pittadhara kala.

मज्जाधरा कला एव पित्तधरा कला

If we see citations from charak when majja kshay happens  there is possibility of vata disorders that means ghrutha is the remedy for it.

As majja disorders are there use appropriate ghrutha, avoid viruddha Anna and also pittaghna treatment

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: स्थुल अस्थिसु विशेषण मज्जा त्वभ्यन्तराश्रित .

अथेतरेषु सवेँषु सरक्त मेद उच्यते...

According to susruta ,there is Meda  with rakta in small bone..and this shows yellow bone marrow and red bone marrow in small bones.. Hematopoietic activitie is done mainly in long bone , then small bone ,liver and spleen.. When hematopoietic cells in bonemarrow are decreased , spleen do function of hematopoiesis.. Or in condition of leukemia, precursor cells infiltrate spleen and splenomegaly occurs...in this condition yellow bone marrow(meda) convert into redbone marrow, so meda is decreased.And red bone marrow produced premature cells which infiltrate spleen and cause splenomegaly(pleeha vruddhi)..

USA Gary Yuen: For diet to maintain this dhatu, I've heard some foods are better. Grains bea7uyns lentil dal seeds nuts root vegetables maybe ghee etc. Chinese also make soup from animal bones. True?

Dr. Yogin Patel: Haemophilia - is it also majj dhatu dusti Jany rog ?

USA Gary Yuen: A slightly related small detail. Someone asked about CoQ10. Not Ayurveda but it may relate to unknown substances of foods that can affect all things like bones. One doctor says eating green vegetables that have chlorofill, when you are outside in sun, body will use it to naturally make CoQ10.

Dr. Pravin Tirmare:

USA Gary Yuen: Found herbs in ayurveda encyclopedia. Thoughts? Others? Rasayana?  majja: Aśhwagandhā, śhatāvarī, mahā medha, ghee.

asthi: Pravāl piṣhti, vaìśha lochana, śhatāvarī, sesame, urad dal, milk.

Dr. Ghanshyam Varsa: As per my view it's not majja dhatu

Dr. Pravin Tirmare:

Dr. Bhavesh Modh: IT'S  factor VIII ,  Genetics  disease it's cariarer female  & appear in male.  i think  its raktdhatvagni related.

Dr. Shantanandkumar:

USA Gary Yuen: Does weak teeth count as majja disorder? From older habits like soda and bad food, am trying to strengthen.

Vd. Gurumahantesh: It's asthi kshaya lakshana ,

Not majjagata vyadhi

Vd. Prerak Shah: Thelasemia can be considered under majja dhatu disorder. Enema with goat blood is practiced in govt hospital and recognised by Gujarat state govt. as it is very effective.

Dr. Shyamsundar Raithatha: But does it cure thalasaemia?

Dr. Santosh Swami: Please mention it's protocol

USA Gary Yuen: Found a study: Ayurvedic management of Thalassemia Major-A review of clinical researches conducted at IPGT & RA, Jamnagar http://www.ijam.co.in/index.php/ijam/article/view/06092015/299.

I have heard excess from animal sourced iron is much harder to eliminate. Has meat reduction helped?

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Dr Prerakbhai goat blood trials? Pl brief a bit about the concept

Dr Jayesh Patel: Can AVN is also describe as mjja dhatu vikruti??

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: For bone marrow diseases the dosha discussed are really true..As a remedy to bring back virginity or reversal  we are using in. naturopathy Ozone therapy along with supplements like omega 3  2gms. shatavari  ,ashwsganth , guduchi and green tea each three gms to six gms s day..orally.  also gel of raw papaya 20 gms s day. to reduce blast ratio  matra basti of 20 ml juice of Papaya leaves 30 gms of wheat grass juice  is given by drip through saline set. Twice or thrice a day. On limbs , spinal cord , chest  ozone blanching with juices as above is also done.  Medicinal bath with ozone is also given fir one hour.. Daily treatment comprises three hours .All disorders  such as WBC / Platelets  acid phospotates  etc are well managed or normalised. depending on conditions.  Root causes such as lucky guts, de acidification of marrow environments , restoration of lives  chain over heavy chain etc.

For bone marrow diseases the dosha discussed are really true..As a remedy to bring back virginity or reversal  we are using in. naturopathy Ozone therapy along with supplements like omega 3  2gms. shatavari  ,ashwsganth , guduchi and green tea each three gms to six gms s day..orally.  also gel of raw papaya 20 gms s day. to reduce blast ratio  matra basti of 20 ml juice of Papaya leaves 30 gms of wheat grass juice  is given by drip through saline set. Twice or thrice a day. On limbs , spinal cord , chest  ozone blanching with juices as above is also done.  Medicinal bath with ozone is also given fir one hour.. Daily treatment comprises three hours .All disorders  such as WBC / Platelets  acid phospotates  etc are well managed or normalised. depending on conditions.  Root causes such as lucky guts, de acidification of marrow environments , restoration of lives  chain over heavy chain etc.

Vd. Prerak Shah: I have published report about rakta-basti (goat blood basti) in Gujarati language shared by Dr. Bhavesh Modh. Which is herewith. I have requested Dr. Ravindra Updhyayji to translate it in English 

This goat blood basti treatment is now available in 5 govt hospitals in Gujarat state. Pl wait for more details in English.

Dr. Sushant Patil: Can we siddha a Ghruta kalpana from Goat blood and can use that too ?

Vd. Prerak Shah: No. They make majja Ghrut

But they use goat blood directly as basti

Dr. Shekhar Gole: Thank you very much Dr. Prerak sir

Dr. Shyamsundar Raithatha: Thanks Dr Prerakji. I would like to know how is the response of patients to this therapy ?

Vd. Prerak Shah: Pl wait for English translation. Total 135 patients were recorded till 2014. At this day the figure must be high. As now state government is funding and also supporting the team involved.

Dr. Sachin Utpat: We always use to give rakta basti at ayurved  when I was doing pg over there 15 years back Mahavidyalaya, Nashik. But mainly used in rakta kshay.

तदेव दर्भमृदितं रक्तं बस्तिं प्रदापयेत्

Dr. Sachin Utpat: @ Dr jayesh

AVN may be considered under majja dushti. I remember a case of AVN treated well with majja basti🙏

Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: Children afflicted with. Thalassemia are treated in the civil hospital  of Ahmadabad by  enema of blood of Goats, due to which the duration of blood transfusion has increased, they  do not need that frequently blood transfusion. Since last 3 yrs 135 children have been benefitted. Ayurved has narrated various types of. PANDU  ie  ANAEMIA.  The symptoms of Tridoshaj  Pandu. and THALASSEMIA ARE ALIKE. In 1925 it was known as Cooley's. ANAEMIA, subsequently from 1950 it was named as THALASSEMIA. AROUND 10000 CHILDREN ARE BORN. IN THE CIVIL HOSPITAL AKHANDANAND  OF AHMEDABAD.  THE EXPERIMENT ( TREATMENT ) IS GOING ON. THE DURATION OF BLOOD TRANSFUSION HAS LENTHENED IN ALL THE CHILDREN. MAJORITILY THE PTS NEED BLOOD TRANSFUSION  4 TIMES A WEEK AND SOMETIMES  TWICE IN A MONTH. BUT  AFTER BEING GIVEN THE  ENEMA OF  BLOOD OF GOAT, IN SOME CASES THEY NEED BLOOD TRANSFUSION ONLY ONCE IN 6. MONTHS.

In this treatment  the blood is not given INTRRAVENOUS, BUT IT IS GIVEN PER RECTALLY  LIKE  ORDINARY  ENEMA. SINCE THE I BLOOD IS GIVEN PER RECTALLY ,  ONE DOES NOT NEED A PARTICULAR. BLOOD GROUP. THE   OF THE DOSE OF THE BLOOD IS DECIDED AS PER THE AGE, WT, AND THE  SEVERITY OF THE DISEASE.  FOR THIS AYURVEDIC TREATMENT,  AFTER THE BLOOD  TRANSFUSION  ONE NEEDS TO GO WITHIN 3 DAYS TO THE CIVIL HOSPITAL AND CONTINUE THE AYURVEDIC TREATMENT FOR 10. DAYS. AT A STRETCH.

THE  GOAT BLOOD IS PROCURED FROM THE  SLAUGHTER HSE MAINTANED BY THE. CORPORATION. INITIALLY THE GOAT IS  EXAMINED FROM THE HEALTH PT OF VIEW. AFTER THAT THE BLOOD IS REMOVED FROM  THE VEIN   NEAR THE NECK.  AFTER THE NECESSARY INVESTIGATIONS  CARRIED OUT IN  ANIMAL HUSBANDARY DEPT OF THE GOVT HOSPITAL,  IT IS INFUSED. IT IS A GENETICALLY INHERITED DISEASE. IF THE HUSBAND AND WIFE BOTH ARE THALASSEMIA MINOR, THE  CHANCES  OF OFFSPRING  BEING THALLASEMIC MAJOR IS 50 %.

THE DISEASE IS HEREDITARY. THE SYMPTOMS ARE SEEN BY THE 5 TH YEAR OF THE AGE. PALLOR, is PALE LOOKING, BLACKISH  SKIN, IRRITABLE,  BREATHELESSNESS,  LOSS OF APPETITE,  OEDEMA , ALL OVER THE BODY. ARE THE. SYMPTOMS. .  AYURVED HAS "NARRATED RAKTABASTI WAYBACK  5000 YRS BACK. AS A TREATMENT. "TADEV DARBHA MRUDITAMRAKTAM BASTI. PRADAPAYET"   MEANING  RAKTABASTI  ie ,  ENEMA OF BLOOD  IS GIVEN  WHEN  BLOOD IS DEFICIENT. ON THE BASIS OF THE VERY PRINCIPLE, THE THALASSEMICS  ARE GIVEN  ENEMA OF  GOAT BLOOD IN  AYURVEDIC  SPECIALITY CLINIC OF AKHANDANAND.

THERE IS INCREASE IN THE IRON DUE TO BLOOD TRANSFUSION. FERRITIN IS DECREASED BY  REMOVING OVERLOAD OF IRON.  DISEASED BONEMARROW  IS OVERCOME  OR TREATED  BY USAGE OF GHEE PROCESED WITH  MAJJA .  MAJJA PROCESSED  GHEE IS NOTHING BUT A MIXTURE OF BONEMARROW OF GOAT AND GHEE.  THE VERY MIXTURE CAN BE USED BY THE PTS BY APPLYING ON. CHAPATIS.

THE DRS OF GOVT RUN AYURVEDIC HOSPITAL HAVE SUCCEEDED IN THIS EXPERIMENT. BUT  THE ALLOPATHIC DRS ARE SCEPTICAL ABOUT IT,  NOBODY IS AWARE  HOW THE GOAT BLOOD IS  INVESTIGATED PRIOR TO  ENEMA.. WHETHER THE SAME PROCEDURE IS ADOTED  OR SOME DIFFERENT IS YET TO BE ESTABLISHED. MORE RESEARCH IS  EXPECTED TO BE DONE IN THIS CONTEXT.(. DR. VISHWAS AMIN, EXECUTIVE. DIRECTOR --. INDIAN REDCROSS  SOCIETY )

DR ATUL BHAVSAR, THE MONITORING OFFICER, AYURVEDIC SPECIALITY CLINIC, STATED THAT THE DURATION OF THE BLOOD TRANSFUSION PERIOD  OF  135 CHILDREN HAS BEEN INCREASED FROM  2  MONTHS TO 6 MONTHS  BY THE USAGE OF ENEMA OF GOAT BLOOD.

REMARKABLE  DECREASE IN THE FERRITIN LEVEL AND  THE QUALITY OF BLOOD CORPUSCLES WERE ACHIEVED.

THE ABOVE TREATMENT OF GOAT BLOOD ENEMA IS GIVEN  BY  5 GOVT AYURVEDIC HOSPITALS VIZ, AKHANDANAND, LALDARVAJA AHMEDABAD,  GOVT RUN  MANIBEN HOSPITAL,  ASARAVA  AHMEDABAD   GOVT  AYURVEDIC HOSPITAL PANIGET VADODARA , GOVT AYURVEDIC HOSPITAL JUNAGADH,  TAPIBAI HOSPITAL BHAVNAGAR.

1/10/2014

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Above all discussion on blood related problems

Raktapitta is may consider and look at sign and symptoms try to correlate with ayyrved Please do debut on this issue

Vd. Prerak Shah: Not only blood related problems...these are majja related problems mainly...

Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: How to prevent this goat blood from clotting ?

Dr. J. T. Contractor: The way human one

Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: Is this enema given by drip method ? Do we expect this enema to come back like niruha ?

Dr. J. T. Contractor: I think it's annal injected!

Vd. Prerak Shah: If someone is interested in this thalassamia project, should contact Dr. Atul Bhavsar in Govt. Akhandanad Ayurveda Collage, Ahmedabad.....He is handling this project since 20+ years.....He is the MAD person, who started with protocol for this idea, who developed methodology and worked very hard to reach this stage....against all odds and oppose to his work (No moral support, no financial support or any kind of support...but contrary people tried to bring him down several times). 'A true devotee for Rakta basti', working in government sector.

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Hats off to dr Atul Bhavsar.Pl enroll him in Grp we get benefited

Dr. Shriniwas Gujjarwar: In Nanded and Aurangabad we were doing Aja (Goat)rakta basti for thalassamia and anaemia in 1997-98 during my ug under Vd. Bindumadhav Katti sir (he was renowned panchakarma tadnya in marathawada region of maharastra ) and with Vd. Santosh Nevapurkar  (my senior ). Excellent results.

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Annal  injection of blood is not retained ..It has to be given through saline sdt by drip at slow speed. Combination  100 ml finely filtered blood added with 400 ml NS 5%  in two hours . It is absolutely essential to de acidify marrow environments by intensive treatment  as mentioned in my post. Otherwise it will not give desired result. We should not be satisfied with delayed transfusion but to cure by reversal

Dr. Vipin Pandey:

Dr. Bhaskar B Nymathi: Rakta stambana can we prevent by natural Anticoagulant drug *DURVA* Cynodon dactylon. As per my knowledge sorry if it's wrong.

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: In leukemia or bone marrow disorders the complications are too high and entire body is involved hence apart from medication it requires protocol to reverse mechanism.

Dr. Sanjay Londhe: Veryb true dr deshpande…Sir kindly elaborate onacidify marrow enviroments by intensive treatment.Also specify the absorbtion rate and ratio of Goat blood through mucosa.And its use in thalasemia. When given basti.

Dr. Gaurav Makan: Sir NS 5% will cause svere hypernaetremia

Germany Helga Fuchs: Are there any studys done, how the patients are today? It would be important to see long thermed results and sideeffects to. Observing the healt or way of patients after 20 years,  can be seen as  longtherm results of treatment. This is very informativ and will be a important point to accept this treatment worldwide or to find up to the results possible new or easy ways to hold the healingsuccsess after well done treatment. Hope she have done this observation because this is THE POINT to bring Ayurveda in worldwide focus as serious medicine.

Vd. Sachin Kadlag: Collect  fresh goat blood directly into a pot partially filled with honey , and mix it quickly , then it doesn't clot. I have given only once the goat blood enema.  It doesn't clot.

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Animal blood is more acidic and thick than human blood.When mixed in 5 %  NS  clotting  is avoided  and density is reduced

Dr. Gaurav Makan: But, the 5% NS will be reduced to how much percentage after helping avoid coagulation?

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: About  de acidification ozone blanching on limbs spinal cord chest skull with paste of wheat grass , moringo  oil massage    , jacketting with oxygen / ozone, tub bath with leafy vegetable juices , ciw urine , turmaric and ozone  purifies tixins in blood and marrow.  It takes three to four months for normalising parameters  but  progress is seen immediately.  As regards absorption  percentage of  blood , I don't have testing method but benefits may be looked as other way. By positive angle.  Giving below some photos.

Dr. P. A. Deshpande:

Medicinal bath suspending whole body in medicinal water with ozone. Compare this with animals enjoying in mud.

Vd. Prerak Shah: @Helga: Yes, all datas and scientifically done research details / documentation are there.....This program is under operation since last 20+ years.... government approved it and supported it since last 3-4 years .....acceptance from Government (team of western minded scientists, doctors and researchers) was not easy, or it was not a fluke.....after watching its long term positive effects, they have agreed to support this project...still they dont have open mind & heart.....still they create many doubts and many hurdles...because this is ayurveda and these people cant digest success of ayurveda in such a complicated condition.

Vd. Prerak Shah: If someone wants to be in touch with Dr. Atul Bhavsar, we can manage to get his contact details

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Ozone blancinng  on all important parts of body .

Dr. Vipin Pandey: yes sir.but i dont know if we give thrgh anal rout it may cause  hypernaetremia

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Dr. Giurav  the post is as per my own exoeriance.  .no such problems r noted.

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: We can't do any guery arguments controversy and debut against our ancient guru because we are far behind of thought, Vision, Understand the basis principles, With third eye vision, Intuition and power of knowledge and experience they published all textbooks……We haved to go in-depth knowledge and try to correlate in our practice…..Example of any harbs indication even today nobody can differ the indication….We just do justification of they written by re search…..So please make constructive debut with etiology and sign and symptoms

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: By this post we can correlate of

Portal hypertension

Leukemia

Thrombocytopenia

Varices of esophageal

Malena

Epitaxesis

Bleeding rectum

Tumor

Carcinoma

Bleeding disorder

Ulcerative colitis

Any ulcer

Dr. Jinal Thakkar: I didn't understand basti by drip method?

Dr. Gaurav Makan: Dr. Jinal what he wants to say is... Instead of giving it like enema in few minutes.. It has to be given slowly over a period of 2 hours by setting the drip accordingly

Dr. Jinal Thakkar: Is there any specific reference where it is mentioned that it needs to go over a period of time and not like a normal basti

Germany Helga Fuchs: Dear Prerakbhai, very good done. This is so important work. And that western doctors work in this Team is very good. Same procedure are here and same thinking, but this is only to clear out everything what is possible. Fools are here to cleare them and to find a better way. On the end you will have a study where different Situation are named and why and how and witch results are given. This are important informations and this fight have all technics or new ways to undergo. If real benefits of this treatment are given, all doctors, ayurvedic and allopathic, will be more clear and safe.

Please do not think about Ayurveda is not accepted or she do not like the success of Ayurveda. Last point is Problem of Pharmaindustrie but not in mind of good doctors. Good doctors are interested in proper and safe treatment to save lives and health. This is all over the world the same. Only technics and systems are different but not the goal.

Dr. Dayanand Bothre: Is it like yapan basti parek sir ???

Where our intension is absorption of medicine than shodhan or shaman

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Respected prerakbhai

If possible please contact to dr atulbhai bhavsar for expert opinion on our group so query and controversy will clear

Vd. Tanuja Gokhale: Anuvasan n Niruh basti are prescribed for dosha shaman or dosha nirharan thereby breaking the samprapti and also are prescribed for increase in bala, virya, etc.Raktam jeeva iti sthiti.Here Raktabasti are prescribed for sakshat rakta vruddhi n as jeevaneeya ie life promoting or increasing quality n duration of life of patient. Rakta basti are for maximum retention of it.

Satyen: Is anemia with goat blood useful in thalassemia?

Vd. Prerak Shah: All friends, I have allied with Vd. Atul Bhavsar, a man who developed Rakta-basti for thalassamia. He is not less then a rishi. He can't give more time to us or participate with our discussion. But he has agreed to reply your queries.

Anyone who is interested in his work, can ask him your question or contact him by email. Pl make genuine points for comments or questions. His email : atulya_ayu@yahoo.co.in

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: @ Dr  Prerak ji  I   would like to have Dr Atul Bhavzar s  details . Mobile / mail id Pl

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Regarding any reference for giving goat blood by drip system and period , I  would like to clarify  that if given like enema it is a experience that comes out immediately  and the purpose is defeated. It needs to be absorbed through mucosa.  Systems r not through any references

Dr. Uday H. Hanagal: Aplastic Anemia-- When Bone marrow doesn't able to produce blood, Chikitsa Sutra & Yoga in this case?

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: दोषा पित प्रधानास्तु यस्तु कुप्यनति धातुृुषु।

शैथिल्यं तस्य धातुनां गौरव च उपजायते।।

Dhatu shaithilya can be taken as Aplastic conditions where blood cells are not produced properly..

Dhatu gauravata can be taken as Dhatu(marrow) is flooded with immature cells that is seen in leukemias

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ततो बल वणँ स्नेहा ये चापि अन्य ओजसा गुणा ।

व्रजन्ति क्षयमत्यथँ दोषदुष्य प्रदुषणात्।।

सोअल्प रक्त अल्प मेदोस्को निःसार शिथिसेन्द्रियः।

वैवण्यँ भजते ,,

Alpa rakta can be taken as red bone marrow and alpa meda can be taken as yellow bone marrow.

Nisar:- loss of body complexion

Varna bala sneha oja kshaya denote completely  disfunctioning of marrow(bone marrow failure)/ or hyper plasia of marrow.

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: मज्जा.....पूरणमस्थ्नाम् च करोति। सु.सू 15/5

can we say aqueous humor ,vitreous humor = majja dhatu. as eyes fill up orbital fossa. asthi puran.

मज्जा (अतिव्ऋद्धः) सर्वाँगनेत्रगौरवं च । सु.सू.15/14

heavyness of eyes- too much vruddhi of majja

Tamodarshan, Netraabhishyand (conjunctivis, glaucoma) majja pradoshaj rog - as per Sushrut. 29/9.

anubhut best treatment is triphala ghrut akhipuran..

So majja is not just bone marrow, opinion from seniors ???🙏

Dr. Sachinkumar Jinture: Sneh bhag in the asthidhatu

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: मेदो हि सर्वभूतानामुदरस्थमण्वस्थिषु च, महत्सु च मज्जा भवति। सु.शा4/12/13

majja is a type of sneh or med. thats why can we say humor aqu, vitreous, is also Majja dhatu.majja mal are  netra sneh,  purish sneh and tvacha sneh.

Dr. Sachinkumar Jinture: Aqu Humour vitreous is a part of Majja

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: asthivivarmatragat sneh is majja, so brain is also majja dhatu, ?

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Membranes are spongy unlike majja majja is marrow, brain is made of spongy membranes, constitution & construction differs

Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: Brain is not inside asthi. It is covered by asthi. So I don't think we should consider brain as majja. We can certainly compare brain with medo dhatu.

One observation : With Modern medicines to reduce lipids , the evidence of स्मृतिभ्रंश is increasing. Is it because these meds affect brain (medo dhatu )

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: my observation all antipsychotic meds increase abdominal fat and lipid levels. too swiftly.

Germany Helga Fuchs: Brain is majja dhatu? I remember it is like nerv issue. Connection from asthi to brain.

Shri Minoo parabia: Brain is a nervine tissue. Very sprcific and no comparable though. Majja in my view are all divisible  tissues that can regenerate the differentiated mass called organ. So bone marrow is one of the types of majja that can produce differentiated blood corpuscles. This process of regeneration is largely governed by complex hormonal and enzymatic system. The immuno modulator like Tinospora can help a lot.

Germany Helga Fuchs: Thank you, this is very important Information. Gives a total different picture about funktion of majja in the body. 🙏👍

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Majja is considered as one of sneha among 4 types of snehas... So whenever there is disease related with Majja, other sneha(samana guna bhuyishtha) should be given with other herbs.

USA Gary Yuen: Is majja deficiency and disorder covered somewhere in Caraka?

Vd. Tanuja Gokhale: Majnam asthini soushiryam bhramstimirdarshanam.. ie majja kshay or reduction in quality n quantity result in porosity of bones, giddiness or vertigo, patient complains of seeing darkness.

The above are majja deficiency signs n symptoms.Qualitative or quantitative but undesired increase (more than normal) is Majja Vruddhi. The symptoms are heaviness of eyes n body.Majja vitiation are mentioned in Majjapradoshaj roga in C.Su.28 in detail.

Dr. Sachin Utpat: In my opinion brain is also मज्जा

If you find diseases of brain under which srotas they are considered?Nice explanation.  Even a non ayurvedic like me has gained a big knowledge not just a information.

Dr. Hardikchandra Kalal: I have one q?

How to understand  relationship between eye and majjadatu ??

Bunty Gandhi: Yes non medico like me also got to know very valuable stuffs..

Bunty Gandhi: Especially Rakta Basti

Vd. Binal Jagani: Can we compair vitreous body of eye as majja dhatu and sclera as asthi dhatu????

Vd. Prerak Shah: Good question.. But we need academicians/ scholars to answer this.

Dr. Santosh Swami: @Dr Utpat. Totally agree with you.

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Neurons(main functional cells of nervous system) are covered with neuroglia(other cells of NS). Neuroglia (oligodendrocytes in CNS and Schwan cells in PNS) are made up of phospholipid...

Majja is considered as sneha(type of fat), and phospholipid is also type of fat...so we can say Majja and nervine tissue both having fat in its structure

Dr. Santosh Swami: Majjsar laxana should also be taken into consideration while thinking about Netra .We have to give suddha ghrita or ghrita as anupan for specific drugs to break blood brain barrier.

Vd. Prerak Shah: Can we consider majja dhatu karma or actions as immuno-modulator?

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: We can't say vitreous body of eye as majja dhatu as vitreous body is derived from embryonic mesenchyme cells and having water, salt sugar and vitrosin(collagen) in it

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Yes, we can say as BALAM is one of the action of Majja

Colombia Enrique Jorge Galindo Bogota: Balam like force?

Vd. Prerak Shah: Bala or balam = strength

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: My guruji late vd c p shuklaji🙏👍always  talk to us

Frist read disease name of morden and ayurved

Understand the both etiology sign and symptoms

Correlate with ayurved dosh

Dusya

Stotas

Vimarggaman

Sthan

According to that make plan of medicine

Lots of controversy during the debut arise regarding raktavah

Medvah

Majjavah

Ashthivah strotas

But blood related problems we must consider raktavah

Asthivah strotas

And raktapitta

Gout. (Vatrakta) disease

Even morden physiology and structure of blood components

Bone marrow

Bleeding disorder

Genetic factors

Bij and sukra

Most important lifestyle

Food

Bed habit of food

Mental stress

Misuse of morden medicine

Like antibiotics

Nsaid medicine

Oral contraceptives

Methotrexate

So on

Dr. Shruthi Arun: In the physical body, Majja dhatu is formed as posaka asthi dhatu which flows through the majjavaha srotas into the majja dhara kala and is digested by the majja dhatwagni.

In addition to the formation of the marrow, the sclera and sclerotic fluids of the eye are formed

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Kedarikulya nayay is wonderful creations by our ancient guru.Please apply in clinical practice it's make lots different in prognosis of disease

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Vitreous body,sclera in eye, constitutionally differ from majja dhatu or of that sathi majja,

The body over all is a cylinder of water,yet organ's constitutions are completely different,

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Pl read Asthi ( not sathi)

Dr. Pravin Tirmare: ध्यानमूलं गुरुर्मूर्तिः पूजामूलं गुरुर्पदम्।

मन्त्रमूलं गुरुर्वाक्यं मोक्षमूलं गुरूर्कृपा॥

Vd. Prerak Shah: Pl let's conclude this subject here.

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