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Next topic for discussion: Ksharkarma in Ayurveda
Ayulink: Besides
kshar-sutra, where can I read or know more about Kshar karma? Any ref of it in
any treatment?
Dr. Madhuri Patil
Chaudhari: Pratisaarniy and Paniy kshar.1st 1 externl.2nd one internal
Ayulink: Yes. In theory
we read this. But in practice? Only Kshar sutra is popular. Kshar as internal
medicine? Narikel Lavan? apamarg Kshar? But what about Kshar karma? As an
external application? Only kshar-sutra?
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Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari:
Warts, polyps, external skin tags
pedunculated, which hv base to hold the knot of kshar thread
Dr. Maheshbhai
Maysore: Kshara lepa for internal haemorroids. First to sec degree
Dr. Madhuri Patil
Chaudhari: tvagaarsh too, with ksharsutra. excellent results with no scars. must b
sufficiently large and with a base to
hold the knot properly in place
Ayulink: Must go back to
Sushrut Samhita to find more. There must be lot more applications - not only
Kshar sutra that I believe. In the text it is described as Kshar karma and Agni
karma. It must be more than kshar-sutra as they have mentioned the word `karma`
with it. Alkaline cautery is the concept.
Dr. Madhuri Patil
Chaudhari: yes. Kshar karma local application also internal use.
Dr. P S. Desai: Kshar Sutra is
one of the external kshar preparation. In Samhita there are many reffences for
internal use of kshar. In Shalya we are using pratisharniy kshar means paste
like kshar for various conditions
Ayulink: Please give
more details of that paste application.
Dr. P S. Desai:We are using in
internal piles, Pilonidal sinus, Non healing ulcers.I have used kshar varti in
pilonidal sinus along with excision of tract
Dr. Amrish A Shah: Good Results
but Vd not Prefer because long Time Treatment
Dr. P S. Desai: It will give
better result with no recurance of disease.In skin warts also if patient not
ready for Elctro cauterization I use pratisharniy kshar
Dr. Devesh Kumar: Which kshara
sir apamarga or else??
Dr. P S. Desai: Mridu kshar
Ayulink: Kshar karma =
is it only cautery or else? Does it have any other action - reaction or mode of
actions?
Dr. P S. Desai: Kshar means
Phyto chemical Cauterisation. It necrosis the tissue by its highly alkaline
property
Dr. Madhuri Patil
Chaudhari: Kshar Lekhaniya.
Dr. P S. Desai: As standard
kshar have pH around 10-12
Ayulink: Does it improve
blood circulation or it reduced inflammation?
Dr. Amrish A Shah: Ksharsutra is
best Teatment in Piles
Dr. P S. Desai: For pratisharniy kshar as it first Co agulate the blood at local site and causes cell death
Dr. P S. Desai: For pratisharniy kshar as it first Co agulate the blood at local site and causes cell death
Then slough
formation
Healthy wound
formation
Healing
Fibrosis
Dr. P S. Desai: This mode of
action we use in tonsil and piles. To reduce the venous engorgemnet locally
Dr. Amrish A Shah: 3rd 4th degree piles
only
Dr. Sahaj Shah: 4th degree
haemorrhoids??
Canada Nitin Shah: Paaniya kshara
which is used in aqueous form for internal usage. There are many indications in
the original texts but hardly used in daily practise now a days except apamarga
and forgot the name but which has chemical structure is NaHCO3.External
application of kshar or ksharasutra does coagulative necrosis of the tissue.
Vd. Jignesh
Thakkar: We have frequent use of paniya kshar ....as previously it was kept in the
form of liquid nowadays so many medicines contains kshar like
1) shivakshar
pachan churna(carminative and digestive)
2) shankh
vati(carminative and digestive)
3) kshar Parpati(
diuretic and anti caliculi)
In panchkarma
kshar is used as
1)kshar basti
2) vaitaran basti
Kshar is used in
apamarg kshar tailam in ear disorders
Dr. V B.
Maheshwari: Kshara sutra best in external growth like warts, piles
etc. It does necrosis with healing also.
Vd. Dhruti
Kagrana: I have find kshar karma Ch. in shushruta Samhita and astang hridaya.Any
reference for uses of kshara in charaka Samhita?
Dr. P S. Desai: Charak
mentioned paniy kshar in Gulm chikitsa And
in fistula in Ano as a Ksharsutra in Shoth chepter
Dr. Navneeth
Krishnan: Yava kshara is used in many prepration like indukanta kashaya, indukantha
ghrta,guggulu tiktakam, kankayana vati etc
Dr. Madhuri Patil
Chaudhari: Yavkshar best for intetnal. mutrakruchha esp with burning.
Yavkshar with Takra along with just a pinch of trikatu. or without it.
best alkaliser of urine where pH needs to b maintained.A H
Vd. Dhruti
Kagrana: Effect of kshara may related to
factors including
* pH of the
kshara
* Concentration
of the drug
*Length of the
contact time
* Volume of the
off ending agent
* Physical form
of the drug
Dr. P S. Desai: Exactly
Dr.
Shantanandkumar: Kshara if mixed with Amla dravya like takra it not work
because Amla dravya reduces it's properties
Aman patel: 26 types of kshara are mentioned in charak
samhita. However description of individual kshara are not found except
yavakshara. Yavakshara is useful in the treatment of hrdroga,pandu,grahani,pliha,kasa,kaphaja
arsa. Different types of kshara mentioned in charak samhita are lavana. Based
on the similarity in the appearance,smell,taste and touch of urine a
subcategory of pittaja prameha has named as kshara meha.
Dr. Madhuri Patil
Chaudhari: Takra though Amla taste on tongue, Vipak is not acidic.
Ashtang Hruday Mutrakruchha chikitsa its listed Yavkshar with Takra. Charak
Viman sthan 4th adhyay 15th shlok. Kshar Lavan Pippali. never to be used
regularly. Lavan n kshar different based on end product after digestion,
Vipaak. Lavan mostly Amla, Kshar mostly
Katu.
विमानस्थानम् - १. रसविमानम्
अथ खलु त्रीणि द्रव्याणि नात्युपयुञ्जीताधिकमन्येà¤्यो द्रव्येà¤्यः; तद्यथा-पिप्पली, क्षारः, लवणमिति||१५|| आयुर्वेददीपिका व्याख्या (चक्रपाणिदत्त कृत)
अà¤्यस्यद्रव्यंप्रà¤ावोदाहरणार्थमà¤िधायानà¤्यस्यानाहअथेत्यादि| अधिकमन्येà¤्य इतिवचनादन्यदपिचित्रकà¤à¤²्लातकाद्येवञ्जातीयंनात्युपयोक्तव्यं, पिप्पल्यादिद्रव्यंत्वन्येà¤्योऽप्यधिकमत्युपयोगे वर्जनीयमितिदर्शयति||१५||
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Compiled by - Dr. Dhruti Kagrana
Compiled by - Dr. Dhruti Kagrana
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