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Next
topic for discussion: Honey ……# ayurvedic
qualities and effects
Dr. Pravin Tirmare: Honey ..it is most reliable
antiseptic in the world# Ayurved
Dr.
Suvarna V. Khairnar:
In non healing wounds dressing of honey + ghee gives best results
Dr.
Devesh Kumar: Which
company honey we should use sir
Dr.
Sheetal Sumra:
Phonda ghat honey is good
Dr. Uday
H. Hanagal: Coorg
Company (Karnataka) Honey is good.
Dr.
Santosh Swami:
Satmaha honey
Dr.
Rammesh Natu: Has
anybody carried out analysis of Honey?
Mr. Rahul
Pujari: I bought one
honey called honest honey. He collects from uttrakhand. I have spoke to the
person who runs the company. Seems genuine ,
I am using the honey
Dr.
Rammesh Natu: If not
carry out for ten popular brands. Analysis by laboratory methods. Apply Ayurveda
principles. You will realize what is best.
Mr. Rahul
Pujari: There are
some other brands as well of forest
honey. My method of making sure is too talk to the brand or the company
Dr.
Rammesh Natu: You
should have faith based on the facts
Dr. Samir
Suneri: I also using
Dr. J. T.
Contractor: If a
drop of honey put in a plate of water & it doesn't dissolve or doesn't
disperse in water, honey is genuine
Mr. Rahul
Pujari: Oh.ok. I
really like his honey.
Dr.
Rammesh Natu: Dr
Prerak.I think initiate the project on analysis of Honey. Most of the medicines
are taken with Honey, warm water etc as carrier. If carrier is not authentic
then how medicines will work effectively.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Second way is to
put a drop of honey on a cloth & if moves like pill rolls, without being
absorbed on cloth fibers, the honey is genuine.
Honey ( madh-
Guj) is sold branded are actually Madhuras! Mfgr on specification per nomes
drawn by the food authorities
Dr. Rammesh Natu: Maggie was also
produced taking approval of government authorities. What happened?
Vd. Prerak Shah: I made a small survey
of honey before 30 years. We collected 7-8 different branded honey available in
the market and made all basic tests as you have suggested above - drop in
water, drop on cloth, make a cotton roll and burn it etc. And surprisingly all
of them were proved genuine honey. Then we went through honey purity test as
per I. P. And again all were proved genuine. Finally we look for a special test
described in BP (I think this hydrochloric resorcin acid test - if I am not
forgetting, which is now a part of IP) With this test, all honey we collected
proved fake. Finally we went to nearby village, got honey from honeycomb in
front of our eyes, get tested and it proved genuine honey. So testing of honey
is a big challenge.
May be
Pharma scholars in our group can send more details.
Dr. Uday
H. Hanagal: Honey
test-- Take long match box stick & dip well in the separated Honey from the
Container, then heat with the help of Candle flame if it makes chat chat sound
it is not pure because it contains Boiled Jaggary Paka, without sound burns
continuously that only the Purest Honey.
Vd. Prerak Shah: Later I learnt how to make honey at
home from liquid glucose + colour and essence. This is very cheap and passes
through all our basic examination.
Dr. Gaurav Makan: Dr. Prerak sir. So
you want to say that if we want genuine honey, we must get it collected from
bee hives?
Dr. J. T. Contractor: It's a honey
mockery it seems, no one can trust such manufactured honey
Dr. Rammesh Natu: Analysis wise Invert
sugar is comparable with Honey... Colour and glucose, fructose contents. But
what about other natural ingredients?
As Dr Prerak
suggested meeting IP is one criteria and other has to be Ayurveda parameters.
Dr. Rammesh Natu: Invert sugar, liquid
sugar, high fructose corn syrup will show more or less same chemical analysis.
Vd.
Prerak Shah: Invert
sugar, liquid sugar, high fructose corn syrup etc passes all folk tests like
drop in glass of water, drop on cotton, burning on fire etc - we can't prove it
fake honey.
Vd. Prerak Shah: In last 30 years, I don't think the
situation has changed. May be more worse. Finding genuine honey is really a
debatable question. Many honey producers also claims to have certified organic
honey. Some also give us the name of the spices of bees they use, sometimes
they also gives the guarantee of quality and name of the crop, where they have
bee farms. It's up to us, how much to believe in such claims.
Mr. Ram Vala: Valuable information. Dr Prerak ji
Dr. Rammesh Natu: You can form a
cooperative for manufacturing Honey. This will change the scenario of India.
Only Ayurvedians will show a way of authentic honey.
Mr. Rahul
Pujari: I think the
best way is too buy from small producers who we can directly speak to and if
needed can visit. Beyond that it's tough. I bought the brand I use after going
through 25 brands. I have spoken to guy
promoting the brand and he seemed very passionate and genuine.But can I be 100
percent sure. No.
Dr. Rammesh Natu: You may bring small
manufacturers together and form a cooperative...
Dr. Mrugeshkumar Patel: Dr Prerakji
this honey is frozen in fridge become solid ? What is the parameters it is pure
natural bee honey ?
Dr. S. P.
Deshpande: No one
can gurantee the purety in medical aspect. We have to choose from the best what
we think.
Dr.
Mrugeshkumar Patel:
What is fake honey & natural different effects on human beings..?
Dr. Sachin Utpat: Ayurved has described 8 types of
honey. I think what is mentioned in texts if we follow we need not to find any
other tests
Dr. Rammesh Natu: Surprised. Honey in
freeze?
Dr. Mrugeshkumar Patel: Natural honey
not become solid.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: yes.
Natural honey doesnt freeze or solidify or crystallize over time
Vd. Tanuja Gokhale: Natural honey does
crystallise over time. That is called madhusharkara. It has same properties as
of honey. This is mentioned in texts.
Vd.
Tanuja Gokhale:
Natural honey when new or fresh is light in colour n darkens as it ages. Honey
upto 1 yr is poushtik n over 1 yr it becomes lekhan.
As Dr Prerak Shah ji has mentioned of
difficulties in finding n knowing pure honey.
Agmark or
FDI earlier n now FSSAI does allow the manufacturer to add upto 30% of sugar or
jaggery.
Vd. Gurumahantesh: Is Sita actually
the crystallized honey?
Vd. Prerak Shah: No. I think Sita =
rock sugar….Which is used in sitopaladi churna
Vd.
Tanuja Gokhale: As
the forests are decreasing, the bees are getting extinct, the sale n
consumption in market is much more than the actual production.
Vd.
Tanuja Gokhale: The
flower agricultute n horticulture does use enormous insecticides n pesticides.
These traces are also found in honey.
Dr. Mrugeshkumar Patel: In Ayurveda old
honey is very useful fake honey is also
very useful.?
Dr.
Rammesh Natu:
Malpractices will increase if appropriate and timely action is not taken
Vd. Prerak Shah: There are now
commercial bee farms, which claims for many parameters. Best crop availability
for bees. Best season, best breed of honeybees etc. But nobody come forward to
offer demonstration of chemical test from BP (British pharmacopeia or IP -
Indian pharmacopeia). These test are very easy and doesn't cost much or take
more time. Genuine merchant must come out with internationally accepted testing
parameters.
Vd.
Tanuja Gokhale: I
had visited a few Khadiie govt owned startups decades ago. The bees were
offered sugar dissolved in water. 😳
Bunty Gandhi: I heard that GSFDC honey
is quite good..They sell it with dhanvantary brand..
Mr. Rahul
Pujari: Yes. Most
commercial honey farms are feeding needs sugar water or jagger water or
mollasses
Mr. Rahul Pujari: In a forest a bee
would collect nectar from various flowers and rotting fruits and other
sources. Hence those qualities would be
reflected in the honey
Dr. Tredha Vyas: Yess. dhantvantari
honey is very good in quality. . Which is sold by GSFDC..
Bunty Gandhi: I found it much good than
many known brands..
USA Gary Yuen: Someone mentioned
Patanjali honey. Any opinions of what's preferred. Dabur or Patanjali
chyawanprash. Only those two brands available in some places.
Nigeria Mr. M. Gopikrishna: I remember
that 5-6 years back, honey from very famous indian fmcg companies were detected
with Ciprofloxacin as contamination. Literally these companies have added cipro
to prevent development of any bacteria. Which was a bad practice.
And Dr.prerak can advice - if you wish pure
honey from Africa, where the honey is from a government honey production
centre,they sell in cans. If the requirement is truly pure honey, good/large
quality ,this can be trusted source.
Anand Javeri: Forwarded as received
The above says to add 2 drops of honey in a
glass of water.
Pure honey
would settle down, whereas, adulterated would disperse.
Mr Hitesh
Patel: As the honey
we cant get pure also the cow pure ghee is also difficult to get
Dr.
Mrugeshkumar Patel:
In medicine GMP, GLP, TLS standardization test done by laboratory in honey.
Vd.
Prerak Shah: Thank
you for sharing your thoughts on Honey.
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