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Ayucafe – Free Webinar Topic of Discussion: Insomnia – Anindra # Ayurveda

Ayulink Ayurveda: anindra is considered major Vata problem

It is very common complain in todays busy life

Physical, physiological and psychological causes are there for insomina

Ayucafe  0220 91: According to Ayurveda, most chronic conditions, including insomnia, are triggered by a build-up of impurities brought on by diet, weak digestion, lifestyle, stress, and other factors. Eventually the accumulation of toxins interferes with the delicate biochemistry of the body, upsetting metabolism at every level, including brain metabolism and the regulation of sleep.

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Dr. vani bhadarka: Hows experince for mahishixir and piplimul churna..?

Dr. Dhruti Kagrana: Insomnia (or sleeplessness) is a sleep disorder in which a person can not come or where the duration of sleep is insufficient sleep. ... In Ayurveda, it is described as a condition that is caused by degradation of the 'Vata' dosha (One of the three bio-humors). Acute insomnia may, chronic or temporary.

Ayulink Ayurveda: anindra, ati nindra and asamyak nindra are varients of the condition

Ayucafe 122019 24: Kapha enhancing diet helps as its a vata pittaja vyadhi

Ayucafe  0220 91: Sleep is an essential component of human life to keep health and well-being absence of which cause a lot of neuro-psycho–physiological derailment in the body. In another words if normal sleep is disturbed for a short time it can be managed but if it continues for a prolong period than the condition is called as a diseases which can be termed on the basis of its characteristics like sleep disorder, insomnia etc.

Nidranasha is a term of Ayurveda used for loss of Sleep. Ayurveda mentioned three important facts to keep a person in healthy status as Aahara (diet), Nidra (Sleep) & Bramhacharya (Celibacy). Out of which Nidra (Sleep) is a state which refills our power of activity which we lose in daily routine. Due to loss of sleep person suffers too many problems related with health. Ayurveda explained may reasons for loss of sleep as like work, age, diseased conditions, constitution and some Dosha like Vata & Pitta.

Dr. Jignesh Chauhan: We count the main cause as men daily working hours also. Overtime working can cause sleep disturbing.

 Dr. Dhananjay Bairagi: Lack of exercise or heavy works can cause insomnia

Ayulink Ayurveda: The mechanism of Nidra (sleep) is complicated. Yes, we do consider that Kapha aggravation can cause sleep. But consiering various aspects / causes - physical or physiological or psychological how to maintain the health - proper sleep it is a major issue for today

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: As it is described as श्रमहारी

Ayulink Ayurveda: Shall we discuss first the causes of sleep disturbances?

Ayucafe  0220 91: These factors directly affect on the sleep and causes loss of sleep (Nidranasha). According to modern scientific view, loss of sleep has many reasons as like illness, stress, elder age, pain, mental illness etc. Ayurveda prescribes several herbs in single or compound form to overcome the situation.   causes, consequences and management of insomnia with the perspective of Ayurveda can be focused in this chat

Dr. Jwalit shah: तम is responsible for sleep

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: When to go for sleep is also important...

Ayulink Ayurveda: Yes, tamo guna is also important factor to understand

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Insomnia - Difficulty in initiating or maintaining sleep, or both..on basis of duration ts defined

Causes;

Change in shift work, stress, noise, hormonal dysfunction, illness, drug withdrawal or medication

Ayucafe 01 2020 38: Working schedule like shift duty,  mental disturbance

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: Illness is also cause

Dr. Jwalit shah: 6 types of nindra told by charakacharya in sutrasthana...

Ayucafe 01 2020 38: Chinta,shok, Kalnidra, vaishnavi,

Ayucafe 122019 24: Even वृद्धावस्था is a reason as old ppl complains (less sleep) of it but for them its natural actually and only counselling is needed in these cases

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Ayurveda cause:

Vataprakopa, agnimandya, tamobhava, agantuj

Increased Vata: Nidranasa

Increased Pitta: Disturbed sleep/Alpa nidra

Ayulink Ayurveda: physical causes like : elder age,

physiological causes like: most chronic conditions, weak digestion, illness, pain  psychological causes like: bhay, chinta, shok, anger etc

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: It's due to वात दोष वृद्धी Even snoring can disturb sleep. By others too?

Ayulink Ayurveda: life style, working schedule, night duty, Change in shift work, noise etc are also important to understand

Ayucafe 122019 24: For the partners, its agantuja karan of nidranasa ?

Dr.Madhura Phadtare: Vata Prakruti naturally has less sleep or intermittent sleep disturbance pattern ....can we take this into  consideration ?

Dr. Kiran Patel:  Develop OSA

Ayulink Ayurveda: No sleep at all - complete loss of sleep

Waking up early - short sleep, waking up in the night - disturbed sleep, difficulty falling in to sleep

Do these all have same principle?

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Other causes: Frequent intake of tea, cofee, intake of alchohol, excess use of electronic gadgets mobile, tv in night, direct light fall

Dr. Vaishali Chaudhri  : Stress .anxiety. depression also causes.

Ayucafe 01 2020 38: But some people have less sleep naturally , what can be done in this condition?

Ayucafe  0220 91: Background of the Study Our treatises emphasized the importance of Trayopastambhas viz. Aahara, Nidra and Brahmacharya as the pillars of a healthy life. Nidra is the most neglected part of modern life style where one gives least importance to the timing, duration, and quality of sleep with stress playing an important role in inducing insomnia. This negligence is leading to Vata prakopa and in turn causing various physical and psychiatric illnesses.

Ayucafe 122019 24: Exactly? a amlapitta case of mine complaing of anidra as she gets dry mouth cause of acidity at night followed by more water consumption followed by more frequent urination n disturbed sleep  so pitta equals to disturbed sleep

Dr. Hardik bhatt: some reasons for disturbing sleep are stress, anxiety, lack of exercise, lake of physical fitness, iron deficiency, vata and pitta prakruti, day time sleep, shirodhara results very good sleep.

Ayucafe 0220 80: Which oils and meds.?

Ayulink Ayurveda: even pt with cold and nasal congestion also complains for sleep disturbance, as they cant breath properly

Dr. Hardik bhatt: brahmi oil is very good. but only jaldhara also calm down the mind like god  shiva.

Ayucafe 0220 80: How many sessions , duration to get optimum results in anidra ? Also how long do the effects of shirodhara last ? Is it a temporary benefit of longlasting ?

Dr. Hardik bhatt: it depends on pt. prakruti. a vaidhy can decide

Ayulink Ayurveda: As usual we all ayurveda doctors are ready to jump to treatments and particularly medicines. So let us start with first name of medicines, which we use practically in our practice.

Dr. Madhura Phadtare: Jatamansi fant

Ayulink Ayurveda: we do not have much choice in medicines....few of the herbs are really effective for insomina

Dr. Hardik bhatt: tagar, jatamamsi, yastimadhu, ashwagandha, mandoor bhasma, pippalimoola are different herbs used different time and anupan foe insomnia.

Ayulink Ayurveda: but let us know how to use it

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: Plain अभ्यंग also works

Ayulink Ayurveda: any special method or preparation?

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: Nasya

Dr. Hardik bhatt: calm and piece atmosphere, good fragrance, sound music , some novel reading , are effective for sleep.

Ayulink Ayurveda: we will come to other approaches after we finsh with medicines. Thnx

*Does anybody like to add any herb? or any special method or preparation?*

Dr.Madhura Phadtare: Vatashamak medicine also can be used ...along with above mentioned medicines

Ayulink Ayurveda: sarpgandha? is it effective?

Ayucafe  0220 78: Abhrak brahmi mansi vidari

Always gives result in insomnia due to stress

Ayucafe  0220 62: Yes

Ayucafe 0220 80: Jaiphal - nutmeg as a pathya at bedtime.  With milk gives good results

Ayucafe  0220 62: Manasamitra vatakam

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: Medya drugs can be used

Ayulink Ayurveda: but it has side efefcts as modern reasearch says...is it true?

Dr. Jayesh Patel: Shankhpushpi ghreet is very effective in insomnia...

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Jyotishmati, Sarpagandha, Ptaval pishti, pancha-arvinda.

Dr. Vaishali Chaudhri: Brahmi, Shatawari, Jatiphal

Ayulink Ayurveda: I think jyotishmati improves brain activation, is it also good for producing sleep?

Ayucafe  0220 62: Which one ?

Ayulink Ayurveda: yes. that is used for even kids from ages

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Jyotishmati kshira kasayam in psycho cases

Dr. Hardik bhatt: among all the herbs the quote that a man has to work so hard in day time that man can sleep sound in night.. so do work hard.. and honestly.. in day time if one had worked anything wrong, he cannot get good sleep. that I mean.

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Kshira kasaya kalpana of single herb good. As like with milk - sleshma anupana

Ayulink Ayurveda: another subject - but i found this:

Long-term use can cause depression. Other possible side effects of Indian snakeroot include nasal congestion, changes in appetite and weight, nightmares, drowsiness, and loose stools. Some people experience depression, muscle aches, headaches, chills, dizziness, nausea and vomiting.

|https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-787/indian-snakeroot

Dr. Hardik bhatt: pippalimoola siddha kshir at bed time is good for sleep.

Dr. Hardik bhatt: ashwagandha kshirpak is also good for sound sleep.

jatamansi siddha jal is good for sound sleep.

punarnava mandoor is also good for old age people who has iron deficiency.

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Similarly Panch arvinda mandur or Padma kitta yoga due to guruta/kapha or Prithvi mahabhuta...helps reducing Vata or vayu mahabhuta adhikta..

Dr. Hardik bhatt: control of diabetes for diabetic pt. because frequent urination disturbs sleep

Ayulink Ayurveda: Let us start now other then herb / medicine treatments - like panchkarma or household therapies

Ayucafe 0220 80: Yes long term use of sarpagandha ( more than 3 months ) is shown to have side effects

Ayulink Ayurveda: Nasya is good for insomina

shirodhara is good for insomina

Ayucafe  0220 62: Shirodhara with jatamamsi taila

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: Seen effects of स्नान before going to bed

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Abhyanga, pada foot massage specially, listening music

Dr. Hardik bhatt: pad champi.. foot massage is household remedy.

Dr. Anand Hanumant More: अभ्यंग

Dr. Jignesh Chauhan: Go ghrita nasya best for Snoring

Ayulink Ayurveda: please mention the oil or formula to perform the treatments like abhyang, pad-abhyang or shirodhara

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Pada abhyanga with Kshirbala taila Nasyam

Ayulink Ayurveda: shiropichu is the best, easy and cheaper treatment - but we hardly practice it

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Anu tail, Dhanvantara taila full body

Ayulink Ayurveda: shiropichu with brahmi oil or ashwagandha oil is my favorite

Ayucafe 032019 49: How much time we have to put?

Ayucafe 0220 80: Bedtime Paadabhyanga with ksheerbalatailam / mahatikta ghrut , followed by gharshan with kaansyavati is effective

Ayulink Ayurveda: for 2-3 hours

Dr. Sanjay Chajed: Sleepless ness can also be considered as altered sleeping patterns

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Ya, Narayan tel, kshirbala, bhringamlaka Talam & pothichil also

Ayulink Ayurveda: until the water start dripping from eyes, nose etc....but I dont wait for such symptom. We usually suggest to keep it for 2-3 hours, particularly in evening time. anybody practice Marma for insomnia?

Ayucafe  0220 91: कुंकुमादी घृत Nasya also Works very well in Insomnia

Dr. Sanjay Chajed: Padabhyanga with ghee and to be carried out with bronze utensils also helps to induce sleep

Ayucafe 122019 24: Pada abhyanga and sarir abhyanga works as well

Ayucafe  0220 100: Yes

Ayucafe 0220 80: So the pichu is tied on the scalp or just applied. Or bandaged

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Lepa, Anjana may from the point

Ayucafe 122019 24: Pranayam helps too by relieving d  stress

Ayucafe 01 2020 49: Bandaged

Dr. Hardik bhatt: which lepa and anjana.pls

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Chikitsa Manjari a ref of Katak bijadi lepa and anjana

Ayulink Ayurveda: *NIDANA(ETIOLOGY) AHARAJA*

•Rukshanna•Ratriprabhutashana•Upavasa•Visamashana•Adhyashana•Alpashana•Viruddhashana•Ati-madhyapana•Direct drug effects (Including Alcohol)•Drug withdrawal effect

*VIHARAJA*

•PanchakarmaVyapada•AdhikaDhumpana•RatriJagarana•AdhikaSharirikaShrama•Diwaswapna•Ativyavaya•AsukhaShayya•Vegavidharna

*MANASIKA*

•Chinta•Shoka•Bhaya•Udvega•Krodha•Atiharsha•Manastapa –includes all psychic disorders •Manobhighata•Tamojaya •Satvaudarya

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Yogic posture and asana can be helpful

Ayucafe  0220 62: Will rasna churna help ??

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: If cause is cold or indication of Rasnadi churna, then can!

Dr. Dhruti Kagrana: Sleep disorders are associated with an impairment of melatonin production.

Melatonin produced by pineal gland at night, plays a role in regulation of sleep - awake cycle and diminished - melatonin secretion may cause insomnia.

Can any herb work on melatonin?

Ayulink Ayurveda: this is good for everybody...I am sharing the link herehttp://www.gacollege.in/pptns16/krutika%20joshi.pdf

*Let us have now practical suggestions*

If you have any practically proven formula or suggestion for insomnia patients of any particular cause, please share it here

Ayulink Ayurveda: I suggest : Nutmeg powder 250 mg + sakar 2-3 grams with milk - for senior citizen

Ayucafe 01 2020 49: How vadan lep act on Anidra...vadan lep herbs...?

Ayucafe 0220 80: Manasmithradi vati gulika - 2 at bedtime

Ayulink Ayurveda: Shiropichu with brahmi oil is my another favorite suggestion for all age group and particularly for women

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: Anybody tried tagar cap?

Ayulink Ayurveda: For executives: meditation, pranayam, Tab Neo (charak pharma) or Tagar cap (himalaya)

Ayulink Ayurveda: yes, Tagar does help, but needs to combine with other herbs

Ayucafe 0220 11: Esp maahishi dugdha

Ayulink Ayurveda: Tab zzowin form Charak pharma is also good

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: If stress induced then medha vati by patanjali..works well

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Yes but like Sarpagandha it also lowers BP so one for all formula may not work...combo good

Ayucafe 0220 80: Stresscom ( dabur ) 2 tabs help.

Ayulink Ayurveda: but charak products are costly, so patients hesitate for long use of that products

Ayucafe 0220 80: Also ashwagandha at bedtime with milk

Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: One impt qn...can we reduce alprazolam or sleeping pills with our...have tried to taper, any practical insight plz share

Ayulink Ayurveda: yes, I agree

Ayucafe 0220 80: Has anyone tried basti for insomnia

Ayucafe  0220 62: Tablet sumanas

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: Is दिशा/ directions of sleep affects??

Dr. Vaishali Chaudhri  : What should be advice in insomnia in premenopausal

Ayulink Ayurveda: yes, we need to taper the dose of modern medicine, once patient is comfortable with ayurveda

Dr. Uday Thevar: Certain Yog asanas do work on pituatry glands helping nidra

Ayucafe 0220 80: This tapering of dose is should be advised by the doctor who has prescribed or is done by youll

Ayucafe  0220 100: PSYCHIC MANAGEMENT (ADRAVYA CHIKITSA)

 Pleasant smell, sound, touch

 Psychic pleasure

 Sense of satisfaction

Thinking of things pleasant to mind and fulfillment of desire

Follow the Brahmacharya

To embrace with beautiful lady

Comfortable bed and home and proper time

Ayulink Ayurveda: being a panchkarma vaidya for last 32 years, we have tried basti in various disorders and basti produces good sleep as a positive side effect.

Dr.Madhura Phadtare: Prasham << Back

A)    Reference      :       Proprietary

Composition: 10 ml. Prasham contains

Vekhanda (Acorus calamus) 0.1 gm

Pimpalmool (Piper longum)0.1 gm

Khurasani owa (Hyoscyamus niger)0.2 gm

Ashwagandha (withania somnifera)0.1 gm

Shankha pushpin (Convolvuvulus pluricaulischoisy)0.1 gm

Tagar (valeriana wallichii)0.2 gm

Jatamansi (Nardostachys jatamansi)0.4 gm

Bramhi (Bacopa monnieri)0.4 gm

Manuka (vitis vinifera)0.4 gm

Dhayati (Woodfordia fruticosa)0.2 gm

Madhur dravya Q.S

B)    Nature of Product        :       Self Generated Alcoholic Preparation.

C)    Dosage   :       2 to 4 Teaspoons 2 times with water after meal.

D)    Indications    :       Anxioytic and Tranquillizer, Induces natural sound sleep. No addiction or Hangover. Supportive medicine in hypertesion, memory enhancer.

Ayucafe 0220 80: since nothing will cure Vaata as well as basti does .

Dr.Madhura Phadtare: Prasham syrup of rasashala pune is proprietary medicine ...which also has symptomatic good result

Ayucafe 122019 24: Yes tried tappering and pt was able to be free from alprazolam wid help of ayu treatment

Ayucafe  0220 62: This should also include counselling (satwavjaya chikitsa)

Ayucafe 0220 80: Also while treating insomnia it's important to treat the vayu of the gastrointestinal tract - if a person is having constipation and other symptoms of poor peristalsis then also the sleep is affected.  So a good vatanulomak medicine helps in relieving abdominal Vaata and also insomnia

Ayucafe  0220 100: Yes

Ayulink Ayurveda: the problem is, we all know that removal of nidana (cause), is the correct line of treatment.

But we - ayurveda doctors - also want to start symptomatic medicines faster, and get the response faster...and the earning faster too. This is reality.

Dr. dhananjay Bairagi: Does sarswataristam give results?

Ayucafe  0220 100: Pippali Moola Churna with Jaggery According to bhav prakasha

Ayucafe 01 2020 49: Yes

Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Cortisol control karavathi saru result male chhe. High potesium diet is best for cortisol reset

Ayucafe 0220 80: Today our patients are all well informed. They already know the hetu of their nidranaash. Most important being screen time. Which acts like an ocular stimulant and prevents the mind from sleeping however much the body desires. If the mind is alert ,however much the body is " klaant " it can't sleep. So nidaanparivarjan Is main.

Dr. Sanjay Chajed: Sariva works excellent on melatonin,  but  adding Ashwagandha will solve the problem

Dr. Uday Thevar: Yoga makes the breath long and smooth thus effecting mind..calming the mind, had a student who couldn't sleep at night bcz of anxiety, by going yog practices, his sleeping pattern was improved..

Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Atyare most of insomnia ma high acidic diet jawabdar chhe

Raj Badlani: Yes surely it does. Sleeping with your head towards the North on a daily basis will gradually but surely will result into disturbed sleep

Ayucafe 122019 19: Shankh, Shrungatak and Stapani Marma Chikitsa helps to induce sleep.

Adhipati, Shankh and Apang marma chi helps to relieve Stress.

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