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Next topic for
discussion: "Triphala an #ayurvedic
preparation and tennin…"
Ayulink:
I have a question. Triphala contains tennins. There is no standard criterion
for tennins in Triphala. Does anybody know how much tennins should be in
Triphala?
According to modern labs tennins are toxins and
should be less in amount. My personal interpretation of tennins was bitterness.I
think Haritaki and Bibhitaki - both are full of tennins. So tennins contains in
Triphala can be higher then normal.
If tennin is toxic, how Triphala helps to detoxify
the body?
Anand Javeri:
What is tennins? I have heard about tannins.
Ayulink:
I heard that tennin is good for anti-microbial activity. I wish to check
anti-microbial activity of Triphala. Does it help us to prove Triphala as
Rasayana?
USA Gary Yuen:
I don't know much about tannins but they are found in numerous plant foods, and
as far as I know considered healthy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9759559
I can't find anything yet on haritaki, but on
relatives:
The tannin components of T. catappa extract
exhibited their ability to prevent lipid peroxidation, superoxide formation and
their free radical scavenging activity punicalagin, the major tannin component
of the leaves exhibited chemopreventive effect against H-ras induced
transformation which could have resulted from inhibition of the intracellular
redox status and JNK-1/p38 (stress activated protein kinases) activation.
Two compounds, punicalin and punicacortein C,
inhibited purified HIV reverse transcriptase with ID50 of 8 and 5 mM,
respectively. All tannins appeared to inhibit virus-cell interactions.
Ayulink: Does
it mean, we call tennins as Rasayana action supportive?
USA Gary Yuen:
I think so, it is maybe one of the main compontents of rasayanas. Another study
of tannins and flavonoids in 5 foods (fruits?) showed amla to be among the
highest: Kusirisin et al. (2009) found that five plants namely Phyllanthus
emblica, Terminalia chebula, Morinda citrifolia, Kaempferia parviflora and
Houttuynia cordata, traditionally used in diabetic patients, exhibited strong
antioxidant activity. P. emblica showed stronger antioxidative activity assayed
by the 2,2¢-azinobis-(3-ethylbenzothiaz- oline-6-sulfonic acid) diammonium salt
(ABTS) method as well as inhibition of TBARS and anti-glycation activity than
the other plants. The investigation showed that total polyphenol and tannin
content of Phyllanthus emblica and the flavonoid content of Houttuynia cordata
were the highest.
Shri Minoo parabia:
Tannins are basically polyphenols. They are astringent. Tannins actively bind
proteins, aminoacids and alkaloids. Therefore, tannins can defunct all enzymes.
This property makes it anticeptic against bacteria and fungus. Tanning industry therefore uses different
tannin sources. Another such compound is tri hydroxy benzoic acid or gallic
acid present in Ambla.
USA Gary Yuen:
In the Astanga Hrdyam, it's said the only animals that can be eaten regularly
are from the desert. any reason why? their diet?
Anand Javeri:
I think tannin is found in tea also.
Dr.Yogesh Gorakhnath Patil:
Yes
Croatia Branko Markovic:
Black and green tea are full of tannins. Some consider them as healthy and
other consider them as strong acidic agent and advise to avoid them especially
in patient with cancer or strong inflamation. But if Amalaki is full of them
and still reduce inflamation then there should be other qualities which work
together with tannins..
Dr.Yogesh Gorakhnath Patil: I
think "कषाय रस = tanin content"
Anand Javeri: Does
tannin mean tannic acid?
Croatia Branko Markovic:
Tannins found in tea have both positive and negative impacts on health. A
positive impact comes from the fact that tannins are antioxidants. A negative
effect is tannins are also anti-nutrients which can make it difficult for the
body to absorb nutrients. It is said that tannic acid is not found in tea..
Tannin is not tannic acid.. Tannin acid is component in some tannin substances
like in apricot...
Dr. Sachinkumar Jinture: Trifala
grt combination made by our acharya
Ayulink:
Still several doubts are not clear: Do
we consider efficacy of Triphala from tennin?
How much tennin should be present in Triphala for
better effect? Higher amount of tennin in Triphala is good or lower amount is
good? Any standard data available? If
tennin is toxic, how Triphala helps to detoxify the body?
The main point is to find out efficacy and quality
standard of Triphala considering tennin contains.
Vd. Sachin Kadlag: If
haritaki and bibhitak both are full of tennins , Both are
kashaya rasa pradhana dravya. But what about aamalaki , does it have tennin
or is it free of tennnin.
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
Amalaki also have Kashaya rasa.
Vd. Sachin Kadlag:
In Sharangdhar samhita , madhyama khanda , churna adhyaya , there is triphala
churna , combination is given as 1 haritaki , 2 bibhitak and 4 aamalaki , does aamalaki in triphala combination ,
neutralises unwanted effects of tennins
in haritaki and bibhitak. ?..
USA Gary Yuen: Another
study of tannins and flavonoids in 5 foods (fruits?) showed amla to be among
the highest:
Vd. Sachin Kadlag:
Haritaki and aamalaki , both are pancharasa (except lavana) , but haritaki is
having kashaya pradhana and aamalaki is amla rasa pradhana.
Another speciality of aamalaki and haritaki is both
are exception (अपवाद) dravyas in respectively amla skandha and
kashaya skandha , does this exception has something to do different. Both are individually rasayan.
Croatia Branko Markovic:
First thing should be clear are tannins rejuvenator or they are slightly toxic?
Other thing is how other substances work in correlation with tannins in
triphala?
Ayulink:
Majority of Ayurveda doctors- including post graduate scholars, describe Triphala
as laxative to their patient. For me this is improper. Using Triphala as only
laxative is using space rocket / shuttle to fly to next city. The strength of
Triphala is much more strong then a simple laxative.
Croatia Branko Markovic:
So what are main actions of triphala according to your experience?
Vd. Sachin Kadlag:
Triphala is descibed as best in netra
roga in ashtnga hrudaya uttartantra adhyaya 40.
Triphala is very well practised as netrya rasayana ,
in form of triphala ghruta orally and also for netra tarpan vidhi
Ayulink:
Sir, if tennin are good as antiseptic or antioxidant and good to fight against
bacteria etc. why they call toxic?
Cellular rejuvenation And detoxification.
Vd. Sachin Kadlag:
Yes, rasayana
means rejuvenation of new high quality (प्रशस्त)dhatus.
त्रिफला मधुसर्पिभ्यां निशि नेत्रबलाय। reference
ashtanga hrudaya.
Croatia Branko Markovic: Yes..
from my personal experience from prolonged use of triphala like 3-6 months
slowly all system are getting corrected..
What is your usual prescription of triphala? Dose,
anupan and when?
Vd. Sachin Kadlag:
Triphala guggula is also indicated in vrana , where it definitely acts as
disinfectant. Triphala systematically as well as locally acts as disinfectant.
Ayulink:
Sweet taste / Madhur rasa substances are considered good for kapha or immunity
promotion and are good to believe as Rasayana. Astringent taste is considered as Vata
aggravating and diminishing immunity/ kapha.
But Haritaki / Bibhitaki or Triphala are kashaya rasa (astringent) Pradhan
and still they are considered as best Rasayana.
Vd. Sachin Kadlag: Using
triphala as rasayana best time is empty stomach early morning. Best Anupaan
will be cow ghee. But for
different seasons (ऋतू) , anupana can be chosen different , as
given in rutu haritaki .
Ayulink: Early
morning between 5 to 5.30 am. This is my
personal opinion.
Vd. Sandeep J. Prasad:
There is also controversy in formation of trifala. What we should follow?? Equal
amount of all.
Ayulink:
1:1:1 or 1:2:4 ?
Vd. Sandeep J. Prasad:
Yes sir,Which is more scientific?
Ayulink:
??? No answer of this question
Vd. Sandeep J. Prasad:
Why???
Ayulink:
The whole dissuasion started from a simple question:
How can we check the quality of Triphala? There are
hundreds of manufacturers selling Triphala in market. Being a practitioner, how
can I know the good quality of it?
Dr. Sachinkumar Jinture:
all ref are same।
acharya
sharangdhar ref is for whole fruits
(fal) and other gives Only "fal twak " ...weight are same…. personal experience.
Vd. Sachin Kadlag:
Its believed that ideal 1 fruit of haritaki 20 gm, 1 bibhitak 10 gm and aamalki 5 gm, which is too much contradictory to what we
get in market.
Ayulink:
There is no way to check wether it is 1:1:1 or 1:2:4, no way to find out is it
only bark or pulp used, many of them grinds seeds also to make it cheaper. So
there must be some criterion to identify good quality Triphala by its efficacy.
USA Irene CCA:
My personal experience with triphala is I started used as a laxant but I
realize that it was to dry for me eventually. Then I started taking it as a
powder and I left it all day in water and drink it at night . I have triphala
for 9 weeks and rest for 4 weeks
Ayulink:
I approached one analytical lab for it and there comes tennin in the picture.
Triphala is full of tennin and it's the main active component - that's our
understanding.
Vd. Sachin Kadlag:
But in some forests still some person get a small sized aamalki.
USA Irene CCA: Now
after starting study ayurveda I know that triphala is more than a laxative - the
powder I buy is equal amount of three fruits but I reforced with a little more
amount of amalaki
Dr. Bhaskar B Nymathi:
In Triphala Hareetaki & Vibēthaki is having
is having kashayya pradhāna rasa also have remaining 4 Rasa as anurasa. Triphala
has its *Rasāyana* effect by its *Madhura vipakata* . Karma of combined effect
*Synergism* }of Triphala is differs from using single drug.
Dr. Sachinkumar Jinture:
trifala causes Nausea if its combination with seeds ...personal experince.
USA Irene CCA:
some one said better taking it first thing in the mornig. I have it at night?
Croatia Branko Markovic:
For rasayana better early morning..I give early morning bigger dose and before
bed smaller dose.. While in India I tried from several companies triphala and
in every triphala taste was different..more kashaya or amla or even sweet
kashaya in different proportion..so what taste is right?Why vibhitaka men's
fearless? How bibhitaki act on mind or nervous system? Nobody today use it in
that manner..
Dr. Sachinkumar Jinture:
त्रिफला कफपित्तघ्नी मेहकुष्ठहरा सरा ।
चक्षुष्या दीपनी रुच्या विषमज्वरनाशिनी ।।
ref of Bhavprakash nighantu . for some idea . Kashaya
ras and Madhur anuras with water.
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
Vibhitaki works on problems of Rasa, Rakta, Mansa, and Meda Dhatu...Triphala is
given in Jvarhara Dashemani and further its also given in Chikitsa of Vishama
Jvara in Charaka samhita. I think Triphala is also given in one or two place
(Kushtha Chikitsa) in Charaka chikitsa sthan except Rasayana chapter, so I
think only Triphala alone is given at very few places in chikitsa. Its given
with/in various combination, so it may be possible that it increase
bioavailability of any given formulation
Dr. Jyoti Ashok:
In netraroga the combination if haritaki:vibheetaki: amalaki is 1:2:3.
In rest of the diseases it is 1:1:1
But in market v get only 1:1:1. . So v usually add
more amalaki to it in netrarogas.
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
Haritaki-1, vibhitaki-2 Amalaki-4
Dr. Jyoti Ashok:
Yes. Its 1:2:4
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
Though its not in combination
I think more clarification of proportion is given by
Acharya Bhela.
Croatia Branko Markovic:
Yes..but I know that is working amazing for mano roga... today nobody know to
use it in this way is it?
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
If you see various ailments caused by Rasa/Rakta/Mansa/Meda vitiation, there
are someano doshas.
Some mano dosha.
Croatia Branko Markovic:
There is yes.. but there is direct possibility to work on Mano dosha without
working on body..
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
Its Majja is Madakarak, so it works on brain too.
Croatia Branko Markovic:
Yes! It can work on fears also.
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
its fruit majja
USA Gary Yuen:
Testing for tannins might be a partial way to determine quaity. There are
scientific tests that people use to find new plants, but I do not know if any
are easy to do. Radial diffusion method for determining tannin in plant
extracts.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24301886
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3536314
some info of determining tannin content, the book
Dietary Tannins: Consequences and Remedies.
https://books.google.com/books?id=_E9yNLJNW0kC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84
Ayulink:
Does it mean that we can allow manufacturers to grind fruit Majja too? Will it
be more useful on mano roga? Mental diseases or psychology conditions?
USA Gary Yuen:
do you mean fruit seeds?
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
Yes seeds
USA Gary Yuen:
Here is one study comparing fruit, seed, and seed coat powder. i haven't looked
through the whole thing. i think there is benefit. I now consume amla with
seeds. http://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ajft.2014.151.161
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
Actually I don't know about this and I never used, this is written in text.
Hypothetically it may have effect on brain.
USA Gary Yuen:
Is it said somewhere? there's rasayanas that include amla that work on the
brain, but one also includes brahmi
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani:
Yes, Sour taste enlighten mind(mano bodhayati), and strengthen the sense
organs(indriyani dradhikaroti).
Dr. Suyog Kulkarni:
Triphala when used as Rasayan is prescribed in 1:2:4 proportion & its
called yogawahi Triphala. I usually use this proportion to prepare Triphala
ghrita for netratarpan .
Ayulink:
how to check quality of Triphala? Physical and chemical tests? How we select
supplier or manufacturer? Does Price is the only. Criterion to buy it?
Vd. Sachin Kadlag:
In haritaki , mainly two varieties available.
Bala hirda and survari hirada , some vaidyas use them for different
indications.
Dr. Sachinkumar Jinture:
vaidya's self manufacturing is toooo good.
Vd. Sachin Kadlag:
In aamalaki , as well we can get dongari aavala which is small in size but rare
in quantity , is said to be best for rasayana .
Dr. J. T. Contractor:
ndian gooseberry toxicity likely to be less than 20 PPM.
Dr. Bhavesh Modh:
Quality of HARITAKI depends
on some nob.per 400gm . eg. 20 no. Of
Haritaki in 400gm it's
super quality. Best Amalaki
collect in *Jeshth mahina*
(May-Jun)
In this month
very rare availability
but full of Ras gun & virya .
Acc to Rajvaidhy Rasiklal Parikh.
Dr. P. A. Deshpande:
My glowing face with use of triphala massage
before bath. I use for entire
body too and it shines young ones . Just a experience to share in triphala topic.
Anand Javeri:
Is triphala to be used in finely ground form?
Dr. P. A. Deshpande:
Not necessary rough particles slips away while doing massage.
Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay:
Depends. Sometimes kwatha, & at
times finely ground powder.
Anand Javeri:
Wouldn't rough particles scratch the skin particularly face skin.
Dr. P. A. Deshpande:
No . Its a very light massage. Just to absorb in skin.
Vd. Rupa Raval:
Yes use of trifala for udvartan gives best result.
Anand Javeri:
What is udvartan?
Vd. Rupa Raval:
Use of powder made of herbs in body massage is
called Udvartana(Udwarthanam/powder massage).
USA Gary Yuen:
my previous links show multiple test methods for tannins. that could be one of
multiple needed tests. It would need to be sent to a lab.
Colombia Enrique Jorge Galindo Bogota:
What is the result to use triphala powder in udvartana.
Ayulink:
It's good as scrub or exfoliation. Also skin luster improves.
Dr. Gaurav Makan:
Triphla kwath is used as coagulant too.
External application.
Dr Feroz Khan:
It remves dead cells from skin while scrubing gently.
Dr. Anup Torane:
Trifala kwath hav best antiseptic antimicrobial property when used as to wash
infected wound n also in yonidhavan also.
Dr. Ronak Rathod:
There is preliminary evidence that Triphala contains compounds with antioxidant
properties in isolated cells and rats, but this has not yet been demonstrated
in people. Triphala has significant immunostimulatory effects on cellular
immune response, especially cytotoxic T cells and natural killer cells.Triphala
extract significantly prevents selenite-induced experimental cataractogenesis
in vitro and in vivo for rats
Dr. Manju Mishra:
Types of triphla kashaya ,madhur , swalp,,sugandhit ..4
types. Here we r
discussing about mahti or
kashaya. It is laxative n rejuinative.
USA Gary Yuen:
In a test of the antioxidants of 3,100 foods, triphala was #2. only a tree sap
from the amazon was higher. #3 was amla powder. #4 lavangaha.
https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-9-3
one study shows amla powder is as effective as
diabetic medicine. I don't know how triphala compares, but it should have an
effect as well. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21495900
Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay:
Amla acts on liver and pancreas , corrects metabolism, increases insulin
secretion, & controls sugar.
Shri Minoo parabia:
Dhatri-Nisha is famous anti diabetic regimen
Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay:
These drugs might be reducing insulin resistance, increasing insulin secretion,
or decreasing the absorption of glucose from the intestine.
Shri Minoo parabia:
Mostly mimetic. Needs research.
USA Gary Yuen: there
are also studies of alma and triphala being very effective against cancer. For
cancer, I think there are no studies of haritaki, but that might be the best
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