Wednesday, September 28, 2016

Concept of Ayu Genomics....

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Next topic for discussion: Concept of  Ayu Genomics....

Colombia Dr Mario Herrera, Neiva, Huila: Correlation between prakruti and genes. There is an excellent article about that in Nature.
Ayulink: Actually in 1988, I was planning to study Ayurveda prakriti and relation with DNA fingerprinting. That was the time, when there were no email or internet communication and very few people had heard about DNA fingerprinting. I made several correspondences with American universities. But that was well 'too much ahead of time' vision.
But now in 2016, time has changed and many researches are going on for this subject. Please share your thoughts on this.
Dr. Bhaskar B Nymathi:
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: AGE OF REPRODUCTION.
- पूर्णंषोडशवर्षा स्त्री पूर्णविंशेन सङ्गता !
- शुद्धे गर्भाशये मार्गे रक्ते शुक्रे अनिले ह्रदि !!
- वीर्यवन्तं सुतं सुते ---                                 (A.H.Sha.1/8)
According to Ayurveda, age of reproduction for female is 16 year and for male is 20 year. During this age(early age) of female, the ovum will be pure without any cytogenic defects.
According to modern science, Female Fetus before even takes birth, they start their 1st meiotic division in the ovaries for the ova development and they slightly carry out the some steps of 1st meiotic division. And then freeze the 1st miotic division at a special stage which is called deplotene stage.
After that female keep all those cells arrested in deplotene stage in which chromosome and genetic material is loosely arranged and more vulnerable to environmental and other types of mutagenic influences.
Female is born & she reaches at the age of puberty, then menstrual cycle start & at every month some of the frozen cell (arrested in deplotene stage) are reactivated & complete the meiotic division which is going to be matured Ovum.
As female age keep on increasing, the chances that her premature gametes with open genetic material where genetic material is arrested in deplotene stage that has more and more chances of being influenced by the MUTAGENIC substances. And baby is more vulnerable to cytogenic disorders.
So why Ayurveda suggests young age for Reproduction. I think Ayurveda is more applicable science, ayurveda gives solutions in name of Samsakara.
Dr. Ramiz Gadhiya: There is also one Reference Acc to acharya Sushrut Appropriate age for conception  Male 25 yr , Female 16 yr.
Ayulink: Ayu genomics more focus on genetic developments - DNA chains and chromosome development which ultimately reflects characteristics of the person. It's exactly same as prakriti Pariksha as described in the texts.
Western medicine has 'latest research and trend of developing individual or personalised medicine'. I am not sure abt Indian medical doctors, but in west, many medical doctors and Pharma companies are believing and spending a lot money and efforts for personalised medicine. This is new or upcoming trend in medical world. What exactly Ayurveda recommends thousands years before and practiced by all Ayurveda doctors. But need of the time is INTERACTION between both sciences.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: As far present sinario prakruti is change according to time Conditions, Atmosphere, Family circumstance, Job, Value, Money, Parent's, Child, Adjustment, Thought, Mindset, Compromise, Attitudes, Manner- We must focus on this factor. We can not consider basic prakruti Or genomic.
Ayulink: For personalised medicine - they need - Knowledge of genomes - hidden secretes of genetical inherited characteristics of the person -  which can be easily understood with knowledge of prakriti.
Dr. S. K. Rai: Prakruti is a bioidentity of a person , it never changed. If there is noticeable change it refers to the entry of disease or in other words it says person is moving towards death.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Of course getenic disease, Dna related disorder, Heredity disease are related to genomic.
Many person are vatic, Pitaj are absolutely opposite to prakruti. In behaved, Manner, Attitudes, Life style.
Ayulink: Few Pharma companies in india has started research projects on this. Last week I had a meeting one of the leader Allopath Pharma co in this aspect.
Their Ultimate planning is to identify a person - evaluate the person for his / her internal balance (definitely according to their modern parameters - which are not finalized yet) with the help of DNA chains etc. and to find out balance - imbalance to prepare essential or supplements or medicines on the spot, in required dose - mix them fill it in a capsule and provide to the person for a decided time (e.g. 3 months). After every three months, the whole process will be repeated and again the required supplement or medicine will be prepared - on the basis of balance and imbalance and will be given to the person.
This sounds fascinating and WOW. But it's nothing new for Ayurveda practitioner, as we are trained to do such practice according to prakriti Pariksha.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: As far I concern meditation, Counseling, Spiritual approach make lost of change to cure the disease.
Dr Kusum Pawse: For weight reduction too DNA test is done and then accordingly food is prescribed.
Ayulink: Dr. Bhadreshji, Ayu genomics is only a begging of the revolutionary changes in modern medicine.
Till today, personalized medicine or treatment approach of Ayurveda was considered as negative point. We were always asked that can Ayurveda medicine work like modern? For example ten out of ten person will have definite response with any single molecule or single substance like paracetamol. Does Ayurveda have any such? And our answer was No. as we have personalised approach.
Now the same modern scientist and researchers are not satisfied with single molecule in all condition. They found this theory incomplete. And that's where the beginning of search for personalised medicine or study of genome science started. Yet, this is beginning. We can't seat back and claim that every thing is in the books and all answers are there. Even prakriti identification is a challenge. We Ayurveda Practitioners  differes in prakriti identification of the same patient / person, as we don't have standardised prakriti examination method. That's why Ayu genomics has become  very interesting subject.
Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: Well said Dr. Prerakji. I always tell my patients ,"Allopathy treats the disease "and we treat the "Diseased " the person !
Dr. J. T. Contractor: If we are close to nature-  nature itself takes care of us, bio organically any living cell may it be body or plant responsively react, cheer, grow, & being remain healthily normal, but- it's a big BUT against the Inorganically treated cell of plant or living body tends to show deviation sooner or later, leaving hazardous residual untoward side effects in living body or plants, every one these days aware of the fact that the chemically treated fruits & vegetables in market make blunders. Similarly even allopathic branch is well aware of the side effects of paracetamol tetracycline & rest of the micines, sulpha or chloro, quinine!!
These people'(allopathic) yet pushing the sugar coated poison to innocents, most ironically the blaming hanged on Ayurveda (an organic innocent drugs) always an under estimated like a step sister! Reason being we are over shadowed by the trillion $ lobby,yes beam of hope may take our third generation to achieve a parallel track,
Ayulink: Sir, Indian Allopath doctor may not be aware of 'latest' in modern research, it might take another 8-10 years to reach to India. But reality is interactive medicine is future of this field.
On other side, we have also responsibility to get ready for such interaction. We have to be open for such ideas. Can't talk all d time that everything is written down in our text books. We have to present our knowledge in worldly accepted language / norms. Also we need to overcome our limitations too.
USA Irene CCA: If Prakruti is something that never changes and it is related with our DNA and genes how we can connect this idea with modern research about our genes is not something that we can not change, on the contrary  their expression depends on our lifestyle?
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: my observation is-  Prakruti as we test 2dy by asking questions and darshan, is subject to human errors of perception about one's self or others. For me best is still. astrologically,  Nadi Aadya, Madhya and Antya,  from most correct astrochart. Alwayz correct. Aadya-Vatpradhan,  Madhy-Pittapradha, Antya- Kaphpradhan.
Dr. Pravin Tirmare: Nadi from astrochart ? How
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Insulin incrrporeted in  bacteria for insulin production. Humulin produced by bacteria e coli  is the name of insulin- Process called trans genesis. Similarly  bhallatac may converted for carcinoma. Since 1995 genes decod of human body is in progess. Some of genes are found for particular disease. After words specific target medicine can be found.There so many legal issue for that we must take concern. Genomic and prakruti can be compared.It's absolutely not opposite.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Astrological Nadi is different than Pulse-Nadi.  See any astrochart, there is one mentioned.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Behaviour genomic is ongoing programme having a good feedback.
Some of genes are responsible for psychological disorder. In future genome medicine will help for psychological disorder. We can compare with heredity or garbhaj dusti. Even environmental factor also effects on gene.Alarming reports are coming- That's our spiritual guru always talking about go back to nature - Equilibrium with nature - Emotions are responsible for disturb the genes.
Most common disease related to genetic are Stoke, Dm, Cancer very common colon cancer, Coronary artery disease.Final conclusions about genetic disorder prevention is any how stop the mutusion of dna.
Ayurved swathvrut charya is only remedy to prevent genetic disorder.
Australia Vd. Neerja Ahuja: Modern science tells us that DNA is affected by what we are doing now. I think changing habits, effort on changing samskaras would have effect on genetics. It is the coding of who we are after all.
USA Irene CCA: our life style determines if the gen express or not the information we can activates or deactivates gens.
USA Gary Yuen: Agree. Thus Caraka defines dhari as a combination including control and mastery of the senses and development of the self, atman.
USA Irene CCA: When the DNA from a cell receives the information from a neuropeptide (substratum from our emotions, feelings and thoughts)  the cell responds  activating or deactivating some gens.
Dr. Supratim Bir: Prakriti gives a glimpse of genotype and phenotype of an individual.
Vd. Tapan: Like Prakruti there are few factors which are easily assayable and are also do not change from day one to last breath
- blood group
- fingerprints
- iris pattern
If we gather this data which can be easily available than I suppose we can catagorise the data in  three or seven groups and that way subjectively identify the Prakruti .
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: To avoid genetic disorder ayurved is very serious about this For that rutu, Xetra, Ambu,  Bij must be pure and powerful.
We have to counseling to those having a genetic or heredity disease to prevent in next generation. Even mindset, Belief, Thought, Perspation, Emage, Invite to disease is major factor. We never try to prevent such disease only wait for time to grow and develop. Instead of that we focus on prevention Like many of us family members are diabetic history for that we make mind that my family members are victim I also get rid of dm. We must fight against the problem but our tendency is different..
Vd. Asha Tandel: It's about astrological Nadi vigyan.
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana:
Vd.  Mahavir Vora: Beside prakruti parikshan we can take advantage of dosa  dhatu mal dusti  and dhatu saravata  and dhatu rasayan yogas in correction of gene disorder it defiantly give promising result need vast research.
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Expression of gens I e behavior can be changed through diet  exercise yoga and pranayam. In my 54 years of practice the genetic problems are either eleminated or diluted  in next generation including diabetic.
Dr. Chirag:  Prakriti or genonomics is not only wat we have made it to be completely physical or psychological. It has a deeper understanding.
Actually even, the samskara which lead to certain definite change in prakriti or genonomics can be altered by continuous effort and practicing swasthavritta. 
Vritti are our regular thoughts that evole in mind and then turn into action. This actions performed continuously leads to deep samskara in the mind. This samskara make up a genetic predisposition.
Dr. Dilip Pithiya: 6 prakruti According to Charaka 1Jatipraskta 2Kulpraskta
3Desanupatini 4Vayanupatini 5Kalanupatini 6Pratyamniyat
Among these Prakrutis Pratiyamniyat can be corelated with Genomics. Sahaj or Kulajvyadhi  Genatic diseases.
USA Dr. Archana Vardhan: http://www.millenniumpost.in/NewsContent.aspx?NID=324929
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Frist of all we must understand the dna and it's role in body mind effects. So everybody request to share the view. Target medicine is important issue. We have to dedicated to ayurved and morden approach. Modifying drugs delivery system. To prevent mutation dna cycle. Prakriti established after conception. Our aim is to prevent genetic disorder . So we to try before conception. So lot things to approach in a different angel. It's not easy things to do . Team work is require to do something.
https://youtu.be/_xJXZBCOWMY
https://youtu.be/pgHAXCMMcro
Thanks and courtesy to both speaker. Please see the both videos it's make clarity about genomic science.

Dr. Anjana Prakash: According to Susrutacharya d  formation  of prakriti is influenced by garbhini regimens.That means dat d development of prakriti is continuing even after sukra sonitha samyoga...

Chhayaben: Ayurveda is doing this personalised medication from the beginning...in Ayurveda though u have standard medication, but dose n medicine prescribed depending upon patient's prakruti ...I m not from medical field but this is my overview..

Tilak Raj Gujrani: Great, very nice topic and information.
Just last week I have come accross a family where theree generations are vatic as they themselves say that all have problems of trembling hands. Body weight normal / sub normal but not  very low. Cracking sound in joints at age of as early as 36. From farming community. Eating a lot of desi ghee and doing daily exercise. No hyperthyroid.

Medha Guard: A lot of people in usa are turning to Ayurveda as it is such a complete science and medicine and as you rightly say, it is personalized , tailor made , and not one size fits all. 
As a practitioner , I feel so much fulfillment taking care of people via Ayurveda and when I see how they take the responsibility to make a diet and lifestyle change rather than relying on pills to get them disease free! 
I am very happy that this discussion is on 

We certainly need to spread this knowledge far and wide , we each can take this responsibility !!

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Psycho Neuro Immunology.....Ayurveda vision....

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Next topic for discussion: Psycho Neuro Immunology.....Ayurveda vision (Relation between immune system/endocrine system and central nervous system)
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt: I always observe in my patients that in Stressful condition they increased skin problems ,common cold and especially Coughing. IBS is mainly related with Stress.
Dr Kusum Pawse: Also stress diabetes cholesterol obesity.
Dr. Supratim Bir: Gut brain has a close relation with allergic manifestation. N by controlling vatanuloman it can be managed grossly. It's an observation
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt: Thyroid is,Diabetes,Heart problems and Cancer have relation with this.
Colombia Dr Mario Herrera, Neiva, Huila: Gut brain axis is in control of autoimmune mediated diseases, psychiatric diseases as depresion an OCD, insomnia, anxiety and obesity
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt: Sometimes we add Brahmi ,shankhpushpi with treatment it gives very good result. Meditation,Pranayam,Omkar Sirodhara and Nadya therapy have good results
Exi Kir Moo: Is there any similarity between Gut Brain and PNI? (Being non-medico, I need to know this, please).
Colombia Dr Mario Herrera, Neiva, Huila: Gut brain axis is one of the systems involve in PNI. Other then is HPA: hypothslamic pituitary  adrenal axis And the sympathetic nervous system
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: In Ayurveda Bala(बल) can be consider as immunity.The kapha in its natural state(प्राकृतावस्था) promotes strength in form of ojas(बल)..When in morbid state(विकृत अवस्था), it causes diseases and death.
Bala=ojas=prakruta shleshma=immunity...
Immunity is of two types:-
1) innate immunity(येनौजसा वतँयन्ति प्रीणीता: सवँदेहिन:!
यदृते सवँभूतानां जीवितं नावतिष्ठते।।यत् सारमादौ गभँस्य यतद्गभँरसाद्रस:!)
Its the ojus which keeps all the living beings refreshed. There can be no life without ojus. Ojas marks the beginning of the formation of embryo. Its the nourishing fluid of from the embryo. It enters the heart right at the stage of the latter's initial formation. Loss of ojus means loss of life..
This ojus is 8 drops in amount, and this play important role in innate immunity along with other functions. In Ayurveda its called PARA Ojus..
2) Acquired immunity:-
रसादीनां शुक्रान्तानां यत्परं तेजस्तत्।
खलु ओजस: तदेव बलम् इति उच्यते।
This ojus is formed from seven Dhatus, quality of seven dhatus depend on Diet, season, place, exercise etc...This ojus is known as slaismika ojus the quantity of which is 1/2 anjali. This ojus is called Apara ojus and it circulates through out body...
CNS and endocrine have close relation. Actually endocrine works under influence of Autonomic nervous system.
Udana vayu plays important role in autonomic nervous system..
Prayatna(प्रयत्न) is one function of Udana vayu...
There are two types of prayatna in darshana shastras.
1) इच्छा द्वेष पुवँक प्रयत्न(Voluntary actions).
2) जीवन योनि प्रयत्न(involuntary actions).

We can take involuntary action under autonomic nervous system. So Udana works as Autonomic nervous system, so why susruta has told Udana Pavanottama(superior among all vata).
Other function of Udana is bala, it means Udana plays role as Immunity as well as Autonomic nervous system(CNS)...
Vd. Ajayraj V. Bal: Vata is responsible for the balanced function of CNS. Vayustantra tantra dhara  And Gut is to be considered as vatsthana.
Dr. Ramiz Gadhiya: Wht's about Prana vayu & tarpak kapha.? its also maintance the CNS..
Dr. Tukaram Shinde: Prakrut prana vayu &kapha maintance CNS .
USA Gary Yuen: Can we associate some types of fire with the endocrine system? Colored fire, ranjaka in the kidneys liver and blood? And a deficiency in blood or disorder of kidney and liver with immunity?
Dr Jayesh Patel: In ayurveda may be immune system related with Rasayan & Ojas ? CNS is related with vat...
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana:  PNI :-
Psycho refers - Thinking, Emotion and mood states
Neuro  refers - Neurological & Endocrine system
Immunology refer - Cellular structure
Stress response =  Fight or Flight response -> Temporarily short term decrease in immune function...
Today's era -> Repeatedly stress ->
The nervous system is in a constant state of excitation and stress response is experienced over and over again, causing the built - in feedback loops that should shutdown the system off to fail, resulting in weakened immune function....
Vd.  Mahavir Vora: We can take pni as manovaha strotas also
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt: I think that Angriness ,Chinta,Bhay,Shok those all increase Vat dish and it's effect on Endocrine system and cause Auto immune diseases,Nervous system diseases and Endocrine diseases .
So take history for lifestyle and Stressful conditions
Satyen: Kaliyug is vata promoting yug.  As in this yug chinta, bhay and shok are dominant.  Due to such mental status endocrine disease is bound to rise. So we see rise in it.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Also Tamas, fear and flight response .. taxing immune as well as endocrine systems.
Mr. Ram Vala: As published in Nature journal
Wim hof of dutch derdevil who is guiness book holder for his ability to withstand cold uses breathing technique to boost immune.
Later on research has been done on volunteers trained by hof on immunity and nervous syatem. They find that there is explicit link between the nervous system and immune response
Dr Ashi Vaidhya: Bhaya,shok  ,chinta TAMSIKAahar, Tamsik vichaar  -causes increases vata-causing palpitations  and restlessness-it will lead to imbalance in endocrine system such as adrenal gland etc -causes nervous system or endocrine d's
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Dharaniya veg, part of Vihar Chikitsa,
 For Helthy mind and consequently healthy Manovah, and immonu-endocrino-psychological system.
Alwayz Dharniya, means consciously resisting the thoughts and actions.
Mansik veg -  Lobh, shok, bhay, krodh, ahankar, nirlajjata, irsha, atirag, abhidhya (coveting that which is not one's own) -
Vachik veg- kathor- ruksh vachan, lying, akaalyukta vachan or  untimely talk, ninda
Ashast sharirik dharniya veg-  parpida, parstri, stealing, violence.
Vd. Devang patel: Is anyone have paper or other reference regarding Adharniya Vega and Nerveous system???
Dr. Rachana Mumbai: All type of psycosomatic disease and auto immune dieases included under this topic
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: indeed Vast. in short  it can b summerised. some vayu movements are natural immune responses which we should never cousciously interfere. they r Adharniya veg and some like Dharaniya veg  , these vayu movements vitiates Chitta, so alwayz to hold off counsciously.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Psyco neuro immunity caused due to mental fatigue, sadism, torturing, sudden mantle shock, these corrupts the hormone glands unbalancing the hormone levels creates irregularities in body simply surfaces the PNI.
USA Irene CCA: Few things are more important for a healthy life, keep our emotions balanced against the ups and downs of life.
Emotional regulation is the ability to experience a feeling, know that this feeling  hides a need and able to satisfy this need
Dr. Anjana Prakash: All d neurological activities r mainly controlled by vata dosha.Kapha in normalcy is considered as ojas n it provides immunity.For any reactions to occur causing paka pitta is needed.So the proper functioning of all these systems indicate nothing but d balanced state of tridoshas
Dr. Samir Suneri: In ayurveda we can see this pni in psoriasis. Where this is a autoimmune disease and we did treatment like shirodhara of takra as well as virechan . By shirodhara we relaxes the mind and by virechan we did work over the autoimmune system
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Friday, September 23, 2016

Curd or yogurt ..... According to #ayurveda

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Next topic for discussion:  Curd or yogurt ..... According to #ayurveda
Vd. Neeraj Pooner: Agray -Dadhi abhishyandinayam ch su.
Germany Dr. Keerthy Sankalp:
Ref:charaka suthrastana 27
USA Gary Yuen: Interesting. Caraka Su 27.227 says yogurt is avoided in autumn summer and spring. The next phrase says harmful to persons suffering from rakta pitta and kapha. Does that meant yogurt is mainly taken in summer and mainly for vata or summer for those with rakta pitta kapha issues.
Dr. Manju Mishra: Dadhi  ka  ratri  me  nisheda  hai  ..chakrapani Cause   of  prameh  and  soth
USA Dr. Archana Vardhan: Ghrisma Sharada and Varsha ritu curd prohibited acc to Charaka
Vd. Khyati Jariwala: Curd is grahi
Dr. Bhaskar B Nymathi:
Dr. Hiral Sengal: General curd benefits:
Curd has Amla rasa – sour taste, Amla paka – undergoes sour taste conversion after digestion, Grahi – absorbent, useful in diarrhoea, Guru – heavy to digest, Ushna – hot in nature, Vatajit – balances Vata.
Increases Meda (fat), Shukra (semen), Bala (strength), Kapha, Raktapitta (bleeding disorders), Agni (digestion strength) and shotha (inflammation).
Rochishnu – increases taste Useful in aruchau – useful in anorexia, Vishamajwara – chronic, recurrent fever, Peenasa – rhinitis, Mutrakruchra – dysuria, Grahani – malabsorption syndrome.
Dr. Manjula Ranagatti: Consumption of full fermented curd is vataghna....consumption of half fermented curd is tridosha prakopaka...
Dr. Hiral Sengal: Excess use to curd makes Visarp ch chi.27, Respiratory disorder s.(24) &. South also.2 1
Dr. Supratim Bir: In tropical weather dadhi should be avoided strictly. In place takra can be advised. Dadhi s sadya snehan karak, so in amaja/kafaja & pittaja condition it will aggravate the symptoms. In our pt profile vataja pts r mostly avaran janna, so curd s also restricted. In total hold in tropical weather dadhi can be kept out from diet.
USA Gary Yuen: I would assume the properties of yogurt and curd apply only to when it is traditionally made from raw milk? Commercial quality, besides living in our polluted world and environmental toxins, is perhaps better avoided and now the same benefits do not apply.
Dr. Hiral Sengal: Yes..home made curd is very useful..
USA Gary Yuen: Many studies of milk for example show that it is harmful to bones. It is perhaps because milk in our modern world is pasteurized and full of chemicals. Organic too. For milk, yogurt, curd, ghee, unless it comes from home made or in a village, it seems better to not consume.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: true. oxytocine is given to cows. it gets in2 milk too, to dahi and ghrut also.
Dr. Manju Mishra: Dadhi  ko  akele  use  maat  kare  ..always  take it with  moonge yuash  , amalaki etc
Dr. Malathi Arjun:
Ayulink: My question is....why in  Indian ritual...we always like to eat dahi before going for good work like exams....? Any special health wise reason....?
 Dr. Malathi Arjun: Dahi with sugar
USA Gary Yuen: Perhaps because of its calming effects, like milk before sleep or for meditation?
Vd. Piyush Prajapati: Dahi is abhisyandi and difficult to digest.. it also gives energy to body for long time bcz it takes more time to digest.. so whenever we go out side,there may b heat or cool or any condition in which our body will get tired,this curd help in such conditions..
Dr. Bhaskar B Nymathi: May be Dadhi is Mangalakaaraka {In shloka Manhlgalam} explained by aacharya.+ Dadhi is shveta varna may give peace fullness to mind.before  going to any work.
Ayulink: But why then it considered auspicious?
And one more point- it is believed that curd increases pitta in general, but in practice it is used for counteract sunstroke. How?
USA Gary Yuen: Indeed it seems to provide slow digesting energy but the reason I mainly thought of the calming effects is that much research about exam performance focuses on things such as calming music that offers cognitive improvements. Compared to milk that could increase urination, curd and yogurt could provide a similar effect. Brahmi and other nervines would likely also work but perhaps curd and yogurt are the commonly known nervines.
Dr Dipak Shirude: What blames today's modern science is putting on traditional uses of oils in Indian kitchens are really to be on Curd or Yogurt !! It is real blocker of channels . Although it is useful in many aspects but comparatively the de-merits are more ! Hence it is on the top of Don'ts list by many _Vaidyas_  ! What you want good from Curd, should be achieved by transferring it into buttermilk i.e. Takra and that too should be made by proper sanskar.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: If you are traveling taken curd, you won't go for toilet till reach destination, it's the same for animal from cat to elephant, circus people take & feed animals curd before starting journey
Shri Minoo parabia: Wow. Never knew this. Circus info is great.
Vd. Piyush Prajapati: Curd is also increasing lactobacillus .so there may not b more chance to b travelling sickness,or vomiting or indigestion while travelling.
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: In Bhavprakasha nighntu 5 types of Dadhi:-1.Manda - Semi Thick  formed curd 2.Swadu - Sweet curd 3.Swaduamla - Sweet-sour curd 4.Amla - Sour curd 5.Atiamla- Very sour curd.
Properties of curd according to types:-
1.Manda: Not fully formed and does not any particular taste. It is not good for consumption. Causes Tridosha imbalance, Vidahi (produced burning),
2.Swadu: sweet and thick curds. Abhishyandi,Increases Kapha Dosha& meda. Pacify vata dosa. Useful in certain blood and Pitta related diseases. It is vrushya-aphrodisiac.
3. Swaduamla: Thick, sweet & Astringent in test. Grahi, aggravated pitta, rakta& kapha.
4.Amla: Agnideepan-  increases digestive fire. Increases Pitta , rakta and Kapha.
5.Atiamla: very sour in test so causing burning sensation in throat. Also agnideepan , increases Vata, Pitta & rakta.
USA Gary Yuen: I'm not sure if that is true. Modern studies suggest plants like grains dal and vegetables are more beneficial than curd and yogurt as prebiotics.
Dr. Ujwala Said: Curd contains proboitic bacteria which is useful in reducing body fat also
Dr Kusum Pawse: Curd has probiotics and prebiotics. It can be taken along with mughdha dal and by putting some marich and sunthi churna.
USA Gary Yuen: But plants such as grains dal and vegetables have been show to better increase prebiotics.
http://femsle.oxfordjournals.org/content/316/2/130.long
I’m not positive that probiotics in yogurt are not useful, but I am not sure. Some seem to suggest it. "Which are more important: Prebiotics or probiotics?
"https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230575533_Which_are_more_important_Prebiotics_or_probiotics
As for curd, Astanga Hrdayam says it increases digestive power, though Caraka only mentions digestion of acid (amlapaka)
Vd. Tanuja Gokhale: Amla paki doesn't mean digestion of Acid - it means the vipak is amla.
Dr. Yogin Patel: Dahi with suger/ juggery(gud) ?  Not to take only plain curd (dahi ) why?  Curd is acidic & in adding juggery will make it nutral. I think.
Vd. Tanuja Gokhale: Curd + jaggery is suggested for sadya snehan ie immediate oleation needed before inducing sadya vaman ie instant vaman when  proper snehapan can't be done. The combo causes instant snehan n also helps in increasing the doshas for easy expulsion.
Vd. Pulkit D. Patel: curd + banana for waight gain acc to aarogya prakash...
Vd. Tanuja Gokhale: Curd/butter milk+ banana, curd+chicken are incompatible foods
Shri Minoo parabia: Panchgavya the mixture of milk curd sugar candy honey ghee is highly held as sacred prasad. Tasty too. How do we evaluate Panchamruta ?
Dr. Jyoti Ashok: True.moreover v consume panchamrutha as a prasad,thirtha ,ie 1-2 tsp.which dosent cause much problem.if it is taken in large quantity then it is virudda,i believe.
Australia Vd. Neerja Ahuja: I don't know but I would tend to think Prasad would be sattvic
Shri Minoo parabia: Agreed. Since I loved the taste my mom frequently made it. I used to devour in large quantity. Must have had its effects,  I could not discern.
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: There is different two meaning of ABHISHYANDA, we always consider one that's more negative- Srotorodha
Vd. Piyush Prajapati: Abhisyandi ma snigdhtva pn chhe.
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: See samskrita meaning of Abhishyand
There is one noble laureate who did research that European people live longer who consume Curd regularly...
Exi Kir Moo: Curd is good in Vata dosh. It is good to reduce cholesterol.
Dr. Neha P. Bhatt: Curd - abhishyandi ,madhur thats why it is advised not to take at night, best time to consume curd is before noon, watery part of curd is called mastu which is good for health.
Dr. Supratim Bir: I appreciate the reference, it may occur in European climate. But in tropical region the approach may not be justified. Ayurveda s a very much personalised treatment approach. Desh plays an important role in food pattern.
Slovenia Anoop S. Anand: Very true..European climate where temperatures are very cold outside the body compensates by increasing metabolism and jatharagni..to liberate more heat to compensate for colder surroundings..so the increased Jatharagni can digest Curd even in Early mornings..leave alone noon time...that could very well explain the longetivity seen among yogurt consumers
Shri Minoo parabia: Milk is the unique colloid comprises water, minerals, globular proteins, fibrous protein (casein)  sugar- lactose, and fat. All over the world milk is almost destroyed and robbed of its natural qualities. Milk when subjected to bacteria and yeast through innoculum, lactose is used up to form lactic acid by microbes. Acid denaturises fibrous proteins and curdles the milk into a curd.
The quantity of acid increases and even acetic acid gets produced turning the curd exceedingly sour.  Churning the curd in presence of water yield various kinds of chhas. If very sour; it induces sleep! Now this is my layman's conceptualization. In puts from learned vadyas is fortifying my understanding. Thanks a lot.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari:  i think the bacterial culture used and Time, kaalsanskar  is also imp. Cheese, paneer or dahi,  difference in gunas of all three.
Shri Minoo parabia: Yes. Paneer is through instantaneous denaturing by adding extraneous agent like renets. When this paneer is further subjected to bacterial action at a very low temperature for a prolonged period of time,  it turns in to cheese- minus globular proteins. Guna are different. Yes.
Dr. Rachana Mumbai: Not to go far, in india curd is used in diffrent forms . For example In gujarat everyone likes to have chhas in lunch nd dinner In punjab ppl have lassi In south they prepare curd rice, which they generally have in morning breakfast or in lunch All this also have significance as per desh and kaal
Dr. Supratim Bir: In jangal desh like gujrat, rajasthan curd can be used regular basis. But in aanop desh like kerala or south India curd s not at all in use. They take the butter milk/chach. I never said so. N what to do with European research finding. Ayurveda s far far ahead than these sorts of stupid research. It's time tested n over all APTA. So I do belive whatever written must be practised without any hesitation. It's different that we are not that much capable of grasping the logics always by our yukti.
USA Gary Yuen: Agree modern research cannot'm compare to self knowledge, atman, and direct observation. Modern medicine is also reacting to an unhealthy population so despite finding things such as red rice better than brown, or amla highest tested antioxidant, I'm guessing haritaki is higher, Ayurveda already knows such things and there is more than fiber and known vitamins minerals polyphenols etc for appropriate choice of which grain like barley rice millet jhwar etc and for all foods and herbs. Yet modern science can help with somethings. Like traditional qualities of milk ghee curd yogurt etc are perhaps a sign of b12 for those that did not eat meat or drank rain water instead of from river. So far, much evidence seems to suggest fish meat milk ghee cheese curd and all animal products even raw are perhaps best minimized and taken in small amounts. Ancient tradition values human milk for many things yet the custom is rare, few people still use it and many are uncomfortable. Maybe dairy from people is the best and only healthy form for people.
Ayulink: Can someone make a list of health conditions, where curd or yogurt is not advisable? And conditions where curd can be very good?
USA Gary Yuen: From a book: Sweet, sour/cold/sweet Sweet yogurt VP- K+. Sour yogurt V- PK āma+ Very sour yogurt causes bleeding disorders. Sweet and sour yogurt has mixed effects. Antidote: ghee amalaki and water.
Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara: Most common in usa- Lactose intolerance is a condition in which people have digestive symptoms—such as bloating, diarrhea, and gas—after eating or drinking milk or milk products.I think after finishing antibiotics course yogurt or curd should be advisable because antibiotics destroys good bacteria as well.
Colombia Dr Mario Herrera: Yogurt, especially the ones with prebiotics and probiotics, produce almost no harmfull effects in some people with lactose intolerance. In fact dome individuals may  benefit from it
USA Gary Yuen: One study shows probiotics are best taken before or with food. As far as prebiotics I am not sure. Possible that plants and the traditional diet of grains dal vegetables and fruit are better, with yava being among the best grains or as important as rice, with millet and all others less important as suggested by Caraka.
Dr. Uday H. Hanagal: According to Ayurveda Shaastra (doing Vidhi Vidhana poorvaka) Dadhi is  a Ruchikara Dravya (Tastey), Brumhana (increases weight), Vata hara Kaphapittakara, Abhishyandi (Increases secretion in the body), Kapha, Pitta Utkleshaka (Increases the Dosha pramana gunataha & karmataha) this is about medium(madhyama) sweet & sour curd.
Vd. sandeep Ahirkar: It should be taken with honey and fermented by adding amalaki powder ..as on rules from writucharya
Dr. Arvind Shahane: Sumul dairy provide probiotic curd. Useful in grahni
Dr Kusum Pawse: Curd can be used as a conditioner for dry hair. Excessive intake of curd may cause hikka and shwasa.
Vd. Asha Tandel: For acne...doshagna lep with rose water.
Curd should be taken mostly in form of buttermilk to digest the food ... it's pure form may be kaphaPittaj nd strotavrodhak.
Slovenia Anoop S. Anand:  Overall, sweet curds is cold in nature and sour curds is hot in nature and improves appetite. A few other types of curds and their benefits:Curds prepared from goat’s milk is an excellent remedy to balance Tridosha. Used in respiratory conditions and to improve digestion.
Curds prepared from Buffalo milk takes a long time for digestion. Increases Kapha and calms Vata and Pitta. It is a natural aphrodisiac.
Curds prepared from fat-free milk is a natural coolant. Improves taste and digestive power. It is useful in digestive problems.
Curds mixed with sugar is an excellent thirst reliever. so also curds mixed with jaggery. It is also an aphrodisiac. It is good for those who wish to become fat.
Note: curds with sugar, on a daily basis is contra indicated, in healthy people for long term use.
In disease conditions involving excessive thirst, emaciated and persons seeking aphrodisiac treatment, curds with jaggery or sugar is indicated as part of the treatment. Sour curds should be avoided if you have gastritis.
Dr. Abhinav Saxena: I think both curd and yogurt are different ! M i right ? To make yogurt,  Lactobacillus bacteria culture is added to milk in the form of pre-packedged powder or or existing yogurt.  To make curd, existing curd or lime juice is added to milk. Lime juice helps accelerate the growth of the Lactobacillus  bacteria in the milk.(Even pasteurized milk has Lactobacillus just in a smaller amount). If a yogurt has been prepared by adding bacteria powder it is not a curd but if it was made by adding existing yogurt, it is a curd.If a curd was made by adding existing curd, it is a yogurt, but if it was made by adding lemon juice it is not a curd. Both yogurt and curd can be sweetened/unsweetened before fermentation.
Shrikalp Deshpande: Sour Curd or curd may not taken if person having Cold.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Regular curd eater doesn't get old ( dies in meddle age),No dog comes near curd eater ( he doesn't walk without stick ). One should not eat curd regularly, curd lowers pH value of biochemistry to acidic pH,(lower than 5) hampers growth of body organs, contrary, deteriorates
Dr. Sharmila Kulkarni: In menometrorhagia,i ask patients to stop curd. It helps to stop bleeding. As it is Pitta utklshak n abhishyandi as described earlier.
Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: Recurrent cold cough sinusitis Asthma Bronchitis copd all skin diseases
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Due to acidic pH fungus formation keeps generating in biochemistry, leads to invite bacteria partying thus infection is on the door till immunity dilutes, frequently curd eaters slowdown their immunity, allopathic friends advise otherwise 'eat curd to upgrade immunity'!! Must be with the logic it may well have a resistance if banged frequent ingenious act! Multi billion lobby says! The king is always right!
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Vd. Vishal Rajparia: It can be considered under gramya ahar.
Dr. Milan Trivedi: It is having abhishyandi guna - due to which it blocks all the channels and hence has been told not to consume at night And during day also not alone either with amalaki rasa or sugarcandy or mudga yusha. Practically and personally I advice to avoid in any type of joint pain, headache,  swash, kasa (any respiratory complains). While I special prescribe dahi prepared from chitrak and then made buttermilk in arsa (courtesy - psn bhatt sir) I follow
Vd. Bhavdeep Ganatra: Majority of the pediatric patients have common history of high intake of curd which brings metabolism very down & Kapha pradoshaj Conditions are seen prominently
Vd. Shrinidhi:  दधि  दध्युष्णं दीपनं स्निग्धं कषायानुरसं गुरु .पाकेऽम्लं श्वासपित्तास्रशोथमेदःकफपदम् . मूत्रकृच्छ्रेप्रतिश्याये पीनसे विषमज्वरे . अतीसारेऽरुचौकार्श्ये शस्यते बलशुक्रकृत्
Dr. Arvind panchal: My question is....why in  Indian ritual...we always like to eat dahi before going for good work like exams....? Any special health wise reason....?
Dr. Bhavin Vachani Surat: I think dahi has very much protein...and in yudhdh...it needed..so...may be
Baroda Arti parimal: Dahi and sugar specially give us strength and glucose. For energy and consternation.
Vd Hemalkumar Dodiya Bhavnagar: I think its mot a matter of energy, protein or strenth.1 spoon (some time s only 1 finger tip) can give how much energy???! And there are also other sources of instant energy. Why are they not being used? Reason it self in charak samhita. Its a matter of prabhav, Its a matter of good wish. Charak has mentioned dadhi as mangalya.
Another reference:
In charak indriya 12, Dadhi is the first name in AROGYA LAKSHANA (opposite of Aristha lakshana). These arogya lakshanas work due to prabhav, like dadhi, gold, white colour, king, cow, agni etc are good and healthy sign.
And dadhi is easily available in home. So before going for good work, we give dadhi and sarkara
Vd Hemalkumar Dodiya Bhavnagar:
Sweden Nayana Chauhan: Aa vedik retual som jurny to other cuntry or befor doing good work eat dahi. It give massage... Be as dahi... Milk mixed with dahi n all milk become dahi. U spred ur good thought with them n they becom with good.
Dr. Nikhil Baxi: i think in holy rituals like pooja, we use panchamrut which is sadhya snehan.
Dr Bhagyashri Panchal: Curd not advisable in obese, at night, in cholesterol, in ajirna,
Dr. Arvind panchal: Curd is not advisable for patients having pittadhikya....hyperacidity,
Dr. Nikhil Baxi:
Dr. Abhishek Bhavsar: In shoth,paak;kustha;pratishyyay;aamvat and at night ......curd is contraindicated
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Dr. Samir Suneri: Curd is very use full to make up flora of our intestine And curd is apathya in skin disease and in aamvata.
As par sahastra saar  Book curd is in composition of kotumchkadi oill
IPR Chhayaben: Stale curd can trigger white patches in skin
Mona Patel Naturopath: Traditional-:Increase positive waves in body and will absorb all the negative waves.
Scientific:
It turns out that a quick increase in sugar levels in a human body not only increases the energy levels, but increases the willpower as well - the ability of conscious control. With increased sugar levels, we become less irritable, and persevere more – an ideal mindset in an exam hall. This will help to get self-control.
Dr. Shreyas Bhalodia: In short about dadhi
Vd. Uday Patil: Milk alone is alone good to consume, easy to digest. When we add Lavan ras or amla ras, it becomes curd, which is heavy to digest. So don't use milk in food where amla or lavan ras is used. Actually in many recepies, coconut milk is advised to use. E.g. in Shikaran (maharashtrian food) fruits like banana r supposed to be added in coconut milk which is very good dhatu poshak, but now we use cow's milk which is viruddh ahar.
Medha Guard: Dahi supposedly also blocks the Channels due to being heavy , where as buttermilk cuts Kapha and decreases the tired feeling after meals - and helps digestion when taken after  breakfast and lunch
Germany Rabia: What is effect of cooked yoghurt with salt.. Like kadi And yoghurt with fruits as in the West is used for breakfast.. Fruit yoghurt etc
Medha Guard: Bad combination to mix yogurt and fruit
Kamal Javeri: Never mix curd with udaddal it is very harmful.skin disease. Wrong to eat dahi vada of udad dal.instead eat dahi vada made from moong dal one precaution dahi or curd should be slightly heated to normal temprature then only use it. This i heard from a c.d of shri rajeev dixit the famous naturotherapist.
Dr Sandeep Mishra: What about curd and onion combination?
IPR Chhayaben: U mean "raitu" ??
Ayulink: It's incompatible diet. Not good combination. Can produce Aama and allergic reactions.
Dr Sandeep Mishra: Yes Raita...
IPR Chhayaben: Curd with cucumber ??
Tilak Raj Gujrani: Charak Samhita, sutrasthan, chapter 26, shalok 81 starts viruddh aahar.
Dr Sandeep Mishra: Mix , onion , cucumbers,...
DR. Jenil Nayak Valsad: Can anyone answer how we can prepare curd without curd?We all know that just add some curd in milk and next day we have curd...but who and how first curd invented?
Dr. Nilesh Patel: Curd can b prepare without curd. Ayurved reference is also there. Apply tagar powder in vessel inside surface. And direct pour milk in that.
Ewen in villege farmer use some other method. As some citrus food and ghatki flower type   some other material used. Even if curd is not added to milk and use deep soil temperature......its also fermented and convert to curd but take little bit more time
DR. Jenil Nayak Valsad: In deep soil temperature it converted into paneer not curd....I found different types of effect by different medicines added in milk to produce curd....like if we use panchkol to prepare curd we can use that buttermilk in diarrhoea for both mandagni and control it.
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Compilation courtesy: Vd. Dhruti Kagrana


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