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Dr.
Dhananjay Bairagi: डायबिटीज के लक्षण आयुर्वेद मे कौन से व्याधी मे आते है? इनिशियल स्टेज ऑफ डायबिटीज... मे कोई भी शारीरिक लक्षण आता है क्या? प्रमेह मे आते है तो कौन से प्रमेह ?
Vd.
Hardik bhatt: Intial stage i think starts from frequent
urination . mostly at night time.
Vd.
Dhruti Kagrana : Aacharya describe 20types of prameha
Vd.
Hardik bhatt: It is like ikshu meh.. kafaj prameh.. after that all prameha
converts into madhumeh.. or.. diabetes.
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Dr.
Dhananjay Bairagi: How many of us diagnosis types of प्रमेह?
And treat accordingly
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Ayurveda: Basically modern diabetes is considered under endocrine
system disturbances and ayurveda consider prameh under urinary tract disorder
or agni disturbance disorder
Dr
Rahul shihire: bahumutrata is cardinal sign if prameh
Vd.
Pritam Bharat Veer: Mutrasya क्लेद वाहनम। क्लेदतीप्रवृत्ती is
seen in prameh. Kled is excreted via muttra. So to eliminate kled from your
system it needs to urinate more.
Vd.
Jayesh Thakkar: Can all Prameha precisely Madhumeha be
equated fully to Diabetes. Diabetes is checked by blood test, now urine point
is reconsidered.
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Ayurveda: So basically many scholars do not mix up modern diabetes
with ayurvedic prameh.
Vd.
Jayesh Thakkar: A full blown Diabetes may be Prameha. Early
diabetes need to be discussed as metabolism only
Dr
Anshul Bahl: Increase of blood sugar is not madhumeha. Blood
sugar can be increased after eating snidgha picchila atimadhura aahar too
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Ayurveda: That's why it is more considered as agni disturbance
Dr
Anshul Bahl: What is the first stage treatment of
madhumeha?
Dr.
Dhananjay Bairagi: How will you diagnose madhumeha
Dr
Anshul Bahl: Making saama dosha niraama should be the
first choice of vaidya in madhumeha too then rookshana,langhana
Dr.
Sujata Guha: I see a lot of people diagnosed with DM with
strong signs of pittaja prameha
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Ayurveda: same as agni treatment...balance of agni will make
niarama condition
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: In
morden term Purvrup of dm is insulin resistance
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: It is there in every disease
Dr
Anshul Bahl: It depends. First it should be paachan with
tikta pradhan aushadi Only deepan will not correct the cause
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Ayurveda: how to define increased blood sugar in ayurvedic
prameha?
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: In
insulin resistance The inflammation of
body is not healing
Dr
Anshul Bahl: Can guduchi be the one drug that can be useful
in all types of meha?
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: Can co relate with Sam / increased kaph / kled?
Vd.
Jayesh Thakkar: Carbohydrate metabolism...can we consider
irregularity in madhur awasta of paka or pachana
40746: In
insulin resistance condition is similar to atisthaulya chikitsha
Dr
Anshul Bahl: Picchila Sheeta guna madhura kleda guna
vruddhi in dhatu
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: If so we can go for ras pachan. Kaph in
datu??
Vd.
Hardik bhatt: yes, pachan and agni vardhan is the main
treatment according ayurveda for all disease.
40746:
Carbohydrate contains is more like guru ahar
so it is one of the Nidan of
prameha so it should be avoided
Vd.
Hardik bhatt: corbohydrate is heavy aahar or fat like ghee
or oil are heavy aahar..?
Dr.
Bhavesh Thakkar: Carbohydrates is laghu and ruksh ahar
Dr
Anshul Bahl: Dosha is in dooshya.
Vd.
Hardik bhatt: I think matra .. dose we have to consider. if we take less
carbohydrate but more quantity and fat in less quantity..
Dr.
Sujata Guha: Carbohydrate is ruksha?
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: It
aggravate dm
40746: Yes
but in krush pramehi ghee works better
Dr
Anshul Bahl: Its snigdha.
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Ayurveda: interesting observation...
Dr
Rahul shihire: i think prameh should treatment like gravani
vyadhi
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: It's not thumb rule. Guna dravya ashrita..
Dr
Anshul Bahl: Medicated Ghee works in many meha
conditions.
Dr.
Sujata Guhas: Yes.
Often it works better with grahani chikitsa.
40746:
Guduchi, dhatrinisha and ghrit is more
better in krush pramehi so it would not do vatprakop
Dr.
Bhavesh Thakkar: In dm high protein , medium fat and low carb
dite get best results
Dr
Anshul Bahl: Can daily intake of protein powder increases
Sugar in blood?
Dr.
Sujata Guha: Protein powder is dry. It will increase vata
40746:
Because krush pramehi mostly kshayjanya avastha in terms of secretions of hormones
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Insulin
resistance is vat pittaj vyadhi
Dr
Anshul Bahl: Protein powder is guru rooksha or guru
snigdha?
40746:
Anyone doing basti chikitsha ?
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Ruksh
and guru
40746: For
any prameha I think NiDAN parivarjan play a big role
Dr
Anshul Bahl: to how much extent it is true that intake of
anytype of madhura padarth will increase or worsen diabetes?
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Any
disease
Dr.
Sujata Guha: Yes.
But nearly impossible in
pramehis. They cannot resist desire
Vd.
Hardik bhatt: some medicine for common prameha.
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: In
DM Only low carb & avoid sugar is enough? Sugar, jaggery etc menas avid of
sweet. So what we should think about
Ghee? Ghee also having madhura vipaka
40746: Yes
if patient is in the insulin resistance, difficulty in langhan because he had
excessive hunger......in that our sthaulya chikitsha works
Vd.
Dhruti Kagrana: Ghee, oil should be preferable in DM?
Dr
Anshul Bahl: Only medicated ghee is used not kevala ghee
Dr.
Bhavesh Thakkar: But the glycemic index of ghee is very low So
it is useful in dm
Dr.
Samir Suneri : I m using virechan for new pt of DM
40746: I
always advice ghee in my dm patient,if patient is krush than little more
13414: How
to assess?
Dr.
Sujata Guha: With what?
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: Medicated
Ghee?
Vd.
Hardik bhatt: life style also effects on diabetes.
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: Sthul pramehi - shodhan.
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: It
is big reason
40746:
Dhanvantar ghrit...or cows ghee
Dr.
Samir Suneri: Virechan with icha bhedi ras and erand oill
Vd.
Hardik bhatt: irregular food time, junk food, irregular bed time, lack of exercise.. are most common reasons.
except food.
Dr.
Sujata Guha: Dhanwantari ghrt is excellent in vataja
prameha with nerve problems
Dr.
Bhavesh Thakkar: Dm patients should avoid cardio exercises
Vd.
Hardik bhatt: why
Dr.
Sujata Guha: What about sthul dehi? How does one manage hypertension in DM?
Dr.
Bhavesh Thakkar: They should resistance or anti gravity
exercise
24026:
Why?
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: It
increases insulin resistance
24026: I
feel this one is more important than food
40746: If
dm control htn automatically controlled advice virechan
Vd.
Dhruti Kagrana: Simply Walking is benefitcial in DM pt.
Dr.
Sujata Guha: What about vaman in sthul dehi pramehi?
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: 2 times meal and 4.5 km walk gives results in
new PTS...
J D diet plan
40746: Dm
patient generally suffering from neuropathy,so they sometimes not feeling chest
pain during cardio.if they do extras cardio they at collapse. So always do exercises as
perspiration happens than stop
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Cardio
exercises lower down blood glucose so raise insulin leval in blood
Vd.
Dhruti Kagrana: Acharay describe 20types of prameha. We
usually seen Diabetes - Madhumeha more. Can anyone see other types of prameha
in today's era?
40746: Dm
affects bp.because high blood sugar damage endothelium
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Cardio
exercises down blood sugar with insulin
secretion and resistance exercise down blood sugar with out use of
insulin
21263:
Vaman virechan basant kusmakar ras chandra prabhavati arogya vardhan vati
dalchini churn. 10 pt is samay diabetes free h sir
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: दोष धातु मल अग्नि सामता दुष्य कलेद प्रकृति वेट हाइट लाइफस्टाइल डायट एक्सरसाइज....gives
idea in new diagnose with bsl???
40746: I
start any pramehi chikitsha firstly by ajirna chikitsha,
21263:
Jathragnimandta tatha dhatwagni mandata ko dur karna h.
Dr.
Samir Suneri 1: I agree sir Mandagni is a cause
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: How
we diagnosed which dhatwagnimandhya clinically?
40746: first
I think abt kosthagat ajirna
21263:
First of al jathragnimandata is there uttarottar sabhi
40746: For
that aam, vidagdhvat chikitsha
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Ahar
chikitsa is the first and main part in dm
40746:
Than sos langhan(diet)
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: 3,2,1,3,2,1
40746:
Specially langhan in sthulpramehii
70367: डायबिटीस को समझने के लिए इन्सुलिन के कार्य को समझना पड़ेगा
.....इन्सुलिन का पहला और मुख्य कार्य
water balancing ka है.......इन्सुलिन जहाँ बनता वो स्थान आयुर्वेद के हिसाब से तालु है......तो डायबिटीस मेरे हिसाब से उदकवह स्रोत का व्याधि है.
40746:
Interesting
24026: But
how to apply clinically ?
Dr.
Bhavesh Thakkar: Jaba tak blood me insulin jyada rahega tab
tak body ka koi bhi inflammation clear nahi hoga. Best treatment kar sakte hai
Dr.
Sujata Guha: Insulin ko ayurvedically kaise samjhe? Agni to hae kyon ki pachan karta hae?
Dr
Rahul shihire: According ayurved gravhni is deodinum....and
practitic duct open in second part of deodinum....its obstruction of pancreatic
duct due aamata. that's why agnimadya prameh... treatment like gravhni vadyahi
its help reasult for praheh....and grahini vadyahi have basti karma so
according ayurved mutra uthapati in pakwashay...so kled aslo remove🤔 my
anuman praman
88040:
Same happens in pcod as there is also insulin resistance.. And there is always
positive family history of dm.
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Insulin
resistance diet se hi clear hota hai
Dr.
Sujata Guha: How does one correlate insulin, kleda,
pancreas, Agni, udaka vaha, kidneys
88040:
What
should be the diet plan?
Dr.
Pulkit Baxi: It is also related with stress too. diabetes,, itself is group of diseases. /
Symptoms.
Dr.
Sujata Guha: What is connection so that prameha comes
about?
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Guru
ruksh
Dr.
Sujata Guha: Guru even in kaphaja prameha?
70367: In
each and every report there is a bottom line that clinical correlation can be
further ........And we all are not relating the symptom with clinical parameter
If there is no clinical symptom there is no treatment
88040: So
many pt do not have any symptoms or complaints but there is high blood sugar
level..
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Insulin
resistance me laghu ahar yani ki simple carb se ir badhega hi
70367:
Then we should go for langhan. langhan has 10 type .......that include asthapan
also. . ..I have given simple water
anema in many pAtient to clean their large
intestine.....Which is pakvashay according to ayurved .......And urine
formation starts from the pakvashay......So sthanam jayet prathamam with that
sidhhant mutra nirman prakriya will improve ........And sugar level will come
down......
Dr. Bhavesh Thakkar: Simple
carb se blood sugar turant badhata hai
Complex carb , protein and fat sath ho to dhire dhire
badhata hai
Isliye insulin ka flow bhi dhire dhire ata hai
88040:
Insulin
resistance ko ayurved hisab se kaise samje.. Aam?
Dr. Paresh Sodvadia: Mand
dhatvagni
88040:
Mand dhatvagni ko kaise badhaye? Langhan Langhan pachan Doshvasechan?
24026:
What about juvenile diabetes?
Dr. Paresh
Sodvadia: Langhan with raspachak ausadhi
09990: As
per our clinic data ...diabetes can be managed well ..focused on kapha aama
pitta mucous removal..through langhan, virechan & bastis ..with no simple
carbs .stopping wheat , rice , potatoes
& fruits ..itself creates big difference in a few days ..5 days Langhan
with ginger water ..mung & veg soup every month can slowly reduce insuline
resistance
09990: Yes
..by virechan basti ...huge detox happens ..& helps reduce I insulin
resistance...
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Compiled by - Dr. Dhruti Kagrana
Compiled by - Dr. Dhruti Kagrana
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