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Webinar Topic of Discussion: Insomnia – Anindra # Ayurveda
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Ayurveda: anindra is considered major Vata problem
It is very common complain in todays busy life
Physical, physiological and psychological causes are there
for insomina
Ayucafe 0220 91: According to Ayurveda, most
chronic conditions, including insomnia, are triggered by a build-up of
impurities brought on by diet, weak digestion, lifestyle, stress, and other
factors. Eventually the accumulation of toxins interferes with the delicate biochemistry
of the body, upsetting metabolism at every level, including brain metabolism
and the regulation of sleep.
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Dr. vani
bhadarka: Hows experince for mahishixir and piplimul churna..?
Dr. Dhruti
Kagrana: Insomnia (or sleeplessness) is a sleep disorder in which a
person can not come or where the duration of sleep is insufficient sleep. ...
In Ayurveda, it is described as a condition that is caused by degradation of
the 'Vata' dosha (One of the three bio-humors). Acute insomnia may, chronic or
temporary.
Ayulink
Ayurveda: anindra, ati nindra and asamyak nindra are varients of the
condition
Ayucafe
122019 24: Kapha enhancing diet helps as its a vata pittaja vyadhi
Ayucafe 0220 91: Sleep is an essential
component of human life to keep health and well-being absence of which cause a
lot of neuro-psycho–physiological derailment in the body. In another words if
normal sleep is disturbed for a short time it can be managed but if it
continues for a prolong period than the condition is called as a diseases which
can be termed on the basis of its characteristics like sleep disorder, insomnia
etc.
Nidranasha is a term of Ayurveda used for loss of Sleep.
Ayurveda mentioned three important facts to keep a person in healthy status as
Aahara (diet), Nidra (Sleep) & Bramhacharya (Celibacy). Out of which Nidra
(Sleep) is a state which refills our power of activity which we lose in daily
routine. Due to loss of sleep person suffers too many problems related with
health. Ayurveda explained may reasons for loss of sleep as like work, age,
diseased conditions, constitution and some Dosha like Vata & Pitta.
Dr. Jignesh
Chauhan: We count the main cause as men daily working hours also. Overtime
working can cause sleep disturbing.
Dr. Dhananjay Bairagi: Lack of
exercise or heavy works can cause insomnia
Ayulink
Ayurveda: The mechanism of Nidra (sleep) is complicated. Yes, we do
consider that Kapha aggravation can cause sleep. But consiering various aspects
/ causes - physical or physiological or psychological how to maintain the health
- proper sleep it is a major issue for today
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: As it is described as श्रमहारी
Ayulink
Ayurveda: Shall we discuss first the causes of sleep disturbances?
Ayucafe 0220 91: These factors directly
affect on the sleep and causes loss of sleep (Nidranasha). According to modern
scientific view, loss of sleep has many reasons as like illness, stress, elder
age, pain, mental illness etc. Ayurveda prescribes several herbs in single or
compound form to overcome the situation.
causes, consequences and management of insomnia with the perspective of
Ayurveda can be focused in this chat
Dr. Jwalit
shah: तम is responsible for sleep
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: When to go for sleep is also important...
Ayulink
Ayurveda: Yes, tamo guna is also important factor to understand
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Insomnia - Difficulty in initiating or maintaining sleep, or
both..on basis of duration ts defined
Causes;
Change in shift work, stress, noise, hormonal dysfunction,
illness, drug withdrawal or medication
Ayucafe 01 2020
38: Working schedule like shift duty, mental disturbance
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: Illness is also cause
Dr. Jwalit
shah: 6 types of nindra told by charakacharya in sutrasthana...
Ayucafe 01
2020 38: Chinta,shok, Kalnidra, vaishnavi,
Ayucafe
122019 24: Even वृद्धावस्था is a
reason as old ppl complains (less sleep) of it but for them its natural
actually and only counselling is needed in these cases
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Ayurveda cause:
Vataprakopa, agnimandya, tamobhava, agantuj
Increased Vata: Nidranasa
Increased Pitta: Disturbed sleep/Alpa nidra
Ayulink
Ayurveda: physical causes like : elder age,
physiological causes like: most chronic conditions, weak
digestion, illness, pain psychological
causes like: bhay, chinta, shok, anger etc
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: It's due to वात दोष वृद्धी Even
snoring can disturb sleep. By others too?
Ayulink
Ayurveda: life style, working schedule, night duty, Change in shift
work, noise etc are also important to understand
Ayucafe
122019 24: For the partners, its agantuja karan of nidranasa ?
Dr.Madhura
Phadtare: Vata Prakruti naturally has less sleep or intermittent sleep
disturbance pattern ....can we take this into
consideration ?
Dr. Kiran
Patel: Develop OSA
Ayulink
Ayurveda: No sleep at all - complete loss of sleep
Waking up early - short sleep, waking up in the night -
disturbed sleep, difficulty falling in to sleep
Do these all have same principle?
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Other causes: Frequent intake of tea, cofee, intake of
alchohol, excess use of electronic gadgets mobile, tv in night, direct light
fall
Dr.
Vaishali Chaudhri : Stress
.anxiety. depression also causes.
Ayucafe 01
2020 38: But some people have less sleep naturally , what can be done
in this condition?
Ayucafe 0220 91: Background of the Study Our
treatises emphasized the importance of Trayopastambhas viz. Aahara, Nidra and
Brahmacharya as the pillars of a healthy life. Nidra is the most neglected part
of modern life style where one gives least importance to the timing, duration,
and quality of sleep with stress playing an important role in inducing
insomnia. This negligence is leading to Vata prakopa and in turn causing
various physical and psychiatric illnesses.
Ayucafe
122019 24: Exactly? a amlapitta case of mine complaing of anidra as she
gets dry mouth cause of acidity at night followed by more water consumption
followed by more frequent urination n disturbed sleep so pitta equals to disturbed sleep
Dr. Hardik
bhatt: some reasons for disturbing sleep are stress, anxiety, lack
of exercise, lake of physical fitness, iron deficiency, vata and pitta
prakruti, day time sleep, shirodhara results very good sleep.
Ayucafe
0220 80: Which oils and meds.?
Ayulink
Ayurveda: even pt with cold and nasal congestion also complains for
sleep disturbance, as they cant breath properly
Dr. Hardik
bhatt: brahmi oil is very good. but only jaldhara also calm down
the mind like god shiva.
Ayucafe
0220 80: How many sessions , duration to get optimum results in anidra
? Also how long do the effects of shirodhara last ? Is it a temporary benefit
of longlasting ?
Dr. Hardik
bhatt: it depends on pt. prakruti. a vaidhy can decide
Ayulink
Ayurveda: As usual we all ayurveda doctors are ready to jump to
treatments and particularly medicines. So let us start with first name of
medicines, which we use practically in our practice.
Dr. Madhura
Phadtare: Jatamansi fant
Ayulink
Ayurveda: we do not have much choice in medicines....few of the herbs
are really effective for insomina
Dr. Hardik
bhatt: tagar, jatamamsi, yastimadhu, ashwagandha, mandoor bhasma,
pippalimoola are different herbs used different time and anupan foe insomnia.
Ayulink
Ayurveda: but let us know how to use it
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: Plain अभ्यंग also works
Ayulink Ayurveda:
any special method or preparation?
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: Nasya
Dr. Hardik
bhatt: calm and piece atmosphere, good fragrance, sound music ,
some novel reading , are effective for sleep.
Ayulink
Ayurveda: we will come to other approaches after we finsh with
medicines. Thnx
*Does anybody like to add any herb? or any special method or
preparation?*
Dr.Madhura
Phadtare: Vatashamak medicine also can be used ...along with above
mentioned medicines
Ayulink
Ayurveda: sarpgandha? is it effective?
Ayucafe 0220 78: Abhrak brahmi mansi vidari
Always gives result in insomnia due to stress
Ayucafe 0220 62: Yes
Ayucafe
0220 80: Jaiphal - nutmeg as a pathya at bedtime. With milk gives good results
Ayucafe 0220 62: Manasamitra vatakam
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: Medya drugs can be used
Ayulink
Ayurveda: but it has side efefcts as modern reasearch says...is it
true?
Dr. Jayesh
Patel: Shankhpushpi ghreet is very effective in insomnia...
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Jyotishmati, Sarpagandha, Ptaval pishti, pancha-arvinda.
Dr.
Vaishali Chaudhri: Brahmi, Shatawari, Jatiphal
Ayulink
Ayurveda: I think jyotishmati improves brain activation, is it also
good for producing sleep?
Ayucafe 0220 62: Which one ?
Ayulink
Ayurveda: yes. that is used for even kids from ages
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Jyotishmati kshira kasayam in psycho cases
Dr. Hardik
bhatt: among all the herbs the quote that a man has to work so hard
in day time that man can sleep sound in night.. so do work hard.. and
honestly.. in day time if one had worked anything wrong, he cannot get good
sleep. that I mean.
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Kshira kasaya kalpana of single herb good. As like with milk
- sleshma anupana
Ayulink
Ayurveda: another subject - but i found this:
Long-term use can cause depression. Other possible side
effects of Indian snakeroot include nasal congestion, changes in appetite and
weight, nightmares, drowsiness, and loose stools. Some people experience
depression, muscle aches, headaches, chills, dizziness, nausea and vomiting.
|https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-787/indian-snakeroot
Dr. Hardik
bhatt: pippalimoola siddha kshir at bed time is good for sleep.
Dr. Hardik bhatt: ashwagandha kshirpak is also good for sound
sleep.
jatamansi siddha jal is good for sound sleep.
punarnava mandoor is also good for old age people who has iron
deficiency.
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Similarly Panch arvinda mandur or Padma kitta yoga due to
guruta/kapha or Prithvi mahabhuta...helps reducing Vata or vayu mahabhuta
adhikta..
Dr. Hardik
bhatt: control of diabetes for diabetic pt. because frequent
urination disturbs sleep
Ayulink
Ayurveda: Let us start now other then herb / medicine treatments -
like panchkarma or household therapies
Ayucafe
0220 80: Yes long term use of sarpagandha ( more than 3 months ) is
shown to have side effects
Ayulink
Ayurveda: Nasya is good for insomina
shirodhara is good for insomina
Ayucafe 0220 62: Shirodhara with jatamamsi
taila
Dr. dhananjay
Bairagi: Seen effects of स्नान before
going to bed
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Abhyanga, pada foot massage specially, listening music
Dr. Hardik
bhatt: pad champi.. foot massage is household remedy.
Dr. Anand
Hanumant More: अभ्यंग
Dr. Jignesh
Chauhan: Go ghrita nasya best for Snoring
Ayulink
Ayurveda: please mention the oil or formula to perform the treatments
like abhyang, pad-abhyang or shirodhara
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Pada abhyanga with Kshirbala taila Nasyam
Ayulink
Ayurveda: shiropichu is the best, easy and cheaper treatment - but we
hardly practice it
Dr.Jayesh Thakkar: Anu tail, Dhanvantara
taila full body
Ayulink
Ayurveda: shiropichu with brahmi oil or ashwagandha oil is my favorite
Ayucafe
032019 49: How much time we have to put?
Ayucafe
0220 80: Bedtime Paadabhyanga with ksheerbalatailam / mahatikta ghrut
, followed by gharshan with kaansyavati is effective
Ayulink
Ayurveda: for 2-3 hours
Dr. Sanjay
Chajed: Sleepless ness can also be considered as altered sleeping
patterns
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Ya, Narayan tel, kshirbala, bhringamlaka Talam &
pothichil also
Ayulink
Ayurveda: until the water start dripping from eyes, nose etc....but I
dont wait for such symptom. We usually suggest to keep it for 2-3 hours,
particularly in evening time. anybody practice Marma for insomnia?
Ayucafe 0220 91: कुंकुमादी घृत Nasya also
Works very well in Insomnia
Dr. Sanjay
Chajed: Padabhyanga with ghee and to be carried out with bronze
utensils also helps to induce sleep
Ayucafe
122019 24: Pada abhyanga and sarir abhyanga works as well
Ayucafe 0220 100: Yes
Ayucafe
0220 80: So the pichu is tied on the scalp or just applied. Or
bandaged
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Lepa, Anjana may from the point
Ayucafe
122019 24: Pranayam helps too by relieving d stress
Ayucafe 01
2020 49: Bandaged
Dr. Hardik
bhatt: which lepa and anjana.pls
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Chikitsa Manjari a ref of Katak bijadi lepa and anjana
Ayulink
Ayurveda: *NIDANA(ETIOLOGY) AHARAJA*
•Rukshanna•Ratriprabhutashana•Upavasa•Visamashana•Adhyashana•Alpashana•Viruddhashana•Ati-madhyapana•Direct
drug effects (Including Alcohol)•Drug withdrawal effect
*VIHARAJA*
•PanchakarmaVyapada•AdhikaDhumpana•RatriJagarana•AdhikaSharirikaShrama•Diwaswapna•Ativyavaya•AsukhaShayya•Vegavidharna
*MANASIKA*
•Chinta•Shoka•Bhaya•Udvega•Krodha•Atiharsha•Manastapa
–includes all psychic disorders •Manobhighata•Tamojaya •Satvaudarya
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Yogic posture and asana can be helpful
Ayucafe 0220 62: Will rasna churna help ??
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: If cause is cold or indication of Rasnadi churna, then can!
Dr. Dhruti
Kagrana: Sleep disorders are associated with an impairment of
melatonin production.
Melatonin produced by pineal gland at night, plays a role in
regulation of sleep - awake cycle and diminished - melatonin secretion may
cause insomnia.
Can any herb work on melatonin?
Ayulink
Ayurveda: this is good for everybody...I am sharing the link
herehttp://www.gacollege.in/pptns16/krutika%20joshi.pdf
*Let us have now practical suggestions*
If you have any practically proven formula or suggestion for
insomnia patients of any particular cause, please share it here
Ayulink
Ayurveda: I suggest : Nutmeg powder 250 mg + sakar 2-3 grams with milk
- for senior citizen
Ayucafe 01
2020 49: How vadan lep act on Anidra...vadan lep herbs...?
Ayucafe
0220 80: Manasmithradi vati gulika - 2 at bedtime
Ayulink
Ayurveda: Shiropichu with brahmi oil is my another favorite suggestion
for all age group and particularly for women
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: Anybody tried tagar cap?
Ayulink
Ayurveda: For executives: meditation, pranayam, Tab Neo (charak
pharma) or Tagar cap (himalaya)
Ayulink
Ayurveda: yes, Tagar does help, but needs to combine with other herbs
Ayucafe
0220 11: Esp maahishi dugdha
Ayulink
Ayurveda: Tab zzowin form Charak pharma is also good
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: If stress induced then medha vati by patanjali..works
well
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: Yes but like Sarpagandha it also lowers BP so one for all
formula may not work...combo good
Ayucafe
0220 80: Stresscom ( dabur ) 2 tabs help.
Ayulink
Ayurveda: but charak products are costly, so patients hesitate for
long use of that products
Ayucafe
0220 80: Also ashwagandha at bedtime with milk
Dr.Jayesh
Thakkar: One impt qn...can we reduce alprazolam or sleeping pills
with our...have tried to taper, any practical insight plz share
Ayulink
Ayurveda: yes, I agree
Ayucafe
0220 80: Has anyone tried basti for insomnia
Ayucafe 0220 62: Tablet sumanas
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: Is दिशा/ directions of sleep
affects??
Dr.
Vaishali Chaudhri : What
should be advice in insomnia in premenopausal
Ayulink
Ayurveda: yes, we need to taper the dose of modern medicine, once
patient is comfortable with ayurveda
Dr. Uday
Thevar: Certain Yog asanas do work on pituatry glands helping nidra
Ayucafe
0220 80: This tapering of dose is should be advised by the doctor who
has prescribed or is done by youll
Ayucafe 0220 100: PSYCHIC MANAGEMENT (ADRAVYA
CHIKITSA)
Pleasant smell, sound, touch
Psychic pleasure
Sense of satisfaction
Thinking of things pleasant to
mind and fulfillment of desire
Follow the Brahmacharya
To embrace with
beautiful lady
Comfortable bed and home and
proper time
Ayulink
Ayurveda: being a panchkarma vaidya for last 32 years, we have tried
basti in various disorders and basti produces good sleep as a positive side
effect.
Dr.Madhura
Phadtare: Prasham << Back
A) Reference : Proprietary
Composition: 10 ml. Prasham contains
Vekhanda (Acorus calamus) 0.1 gm
Pimpalmool (Piper longum)0.1 gm
Khurasani owa (Hyoscyamus niger)0.2 gm
Ashwagandha (withania somnifera)0.1 gm
Shankha pushpin (Convolvuvulus pluricaulischoisy)0.1 gm
Tagar (valeriana wallichii)0.2 gm
Jatamansi (Nardostachys jatamansi)0.4 gm
Bramhi (Bacopa monnieri)0.4 gm
Manuka (vitis vinifera)0.4 gm
Dhayati (Woodfordia fruticosa)0.2 gm
Madhur dravya Q.S
B) Nature of Product : Self
Generated Alcoholic Preparation.
C) Dosage : 2
to 4 Teaspoons 2 times with water after meal.
D) Indications : Anxioytic
and Tranquillizer, Induces natural sound sleep. No addiction or Hangover.
Supportive medicine in hypertesion, memory enhancer.
Ayucafe
0220 80: since nothing will cure Vaata as well as basti does .
Dr.Madhura
Phadtare: Prasham syrup of rasashala pune is proprietary medicine
...which also has symptomatic good result
Ayucafe
122019 24: Yes tried tappering and pt was able to be free from
alprazolam wid help of ayu treatment
Ayucafe 0220 62: This should also include
counselling (satwavjaya chikitsa)
Ayucafe
0220 80: Also while treating insomnia it's important to treat the
vayu of the gastrointestinal tract - if a person is having constipation and
other symptoms of poor peristalsis then also the sleep is affected. So a good vatanulomak medicine helps in
relieving abdominal Vaata and also insomnia
Ayucafe 0220 100: Yes
Ayulink
Ayurveda: the problem is, we all know that removal of nidana (cause),
is the correct line of treatment.
But we - ayurveda doctors - also want to start symptomatic
medicines faster, and get the response faster...and the earning faster too.
This is reality.
Dr.
dhananjay Bairagi: Does sarswataristam give results?
Ayucafe 0220 100: Pippali Moola Churna with
Jaggery According to bhav prakasha
Ayucafe 01
2020 49: Yes
Dr. Bhavesh
Thakkar: Cortisol control karavathi saru result male chhe. High
potesium diet is best for cortisol reset
Ayucafe
0220 80: Today our patients are all well informed. They already know
the hetu of their nidranaash. Most important being screen time. Which acts like
an ocular stimulant and prevents the mind from sleeping however much the body
desires. If the mind is alert ,however much the body is " klaant " it
can't sleep. So nidaanparivarjan Is main.
Dr. Sanjay
Chajed: Sariva works excellent on melatonin, but
adding Ashwagandha will solve the problem
Dr. Uday
Thevar: Yoga makes the breath long and smooth thus effecting
mind..calming the mind, had a student who couldn't sleep at night bcz of
anxiety, by going yog practices, his sleeping pattern was improved..
Dr. Bhavesh
Thakkar: Atyare most of insomnia ma high acidic diet jawabdar chhe
Raj
Badlani: Yes surely it does. Sleeping with your head towards the
North on a daily basis will gradually but surely will result into disturbed
sleep
Ayucafe
122019 19: Shankh, Shrungatak and Stapani Marma Chikitsa helps to induce
sleep.
Adhipati, Shankh and Apang marma chi helps to relieve Stress.
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