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Next topic for discussion: Use
of Asava and Arishta kalpnas in #Ayurveda treatment
Dr. Gurumahantesh
: Asava is guru in nature , as they don't come in contact with agni. Whereas
arishta is laghu.
Dr.Mrugeshkumar
patel: Somasav Bronchial asthma chronic productive cough excellent result.
Dr.Bhavini Raja: Can we use asav /
arishtas in kushth rog as they are one type of madya preparation ?
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Dr.Mrugeshkumar
patel: Old asava is more useful.
Dr.R Prathiban:Yes khadira
arishtam, aragwada arishtam are widely used
Dr.Sandeepji:Somasav can help
on broncheoectasis ??
Dr.Mrugeshkumar
patel: No
Dr.Vasupradha R: Yea, Nimbasavam
too
Abhayarishtam, Ayaskruthi,
Bhrungarajasavam, Chandanasavam, Dashamularishtam, Partharishtam, Puthikaranjasavam,
Puthivalkasavam, Punarnavasavam, Saribadyasavam, Vidangarishtam. Like this many
arishtam n asavam can be used in different types of kushtam.
Ayulink: aragwadarishtam...is
new to know. Can you give more details? which compnay produce it? its uses?
what is the major
diff between asava and arishta? Is there any manufacturing process difference
or anything else?
if it is sadhya
and ashukari (Instant), why it is less in common practice? Except few states of
south India, we dont find good quality producers too.
Vd. Pritam veer:Asawa
arishta contain self generated alcohol, which dissolves active principles
of herbs and spices in it. Hence it is quite safe to use in therapeutics.
Both have very
long shelf life. Older the Asava /
Arishta, the better. The potency increases with age. Potency is retained at
maximum levels, till a long period of time.
Dr.Mrugeshkumar
patel: What is the resion potency increase with age
Vd. Pritam veer:Generally, Asava
formulations are prepared without making decoctions and Arishta formulations
are prepared making decoctions. However, it is not a universal principle and
there are a few exceptions. It's written in our granth as.Gud, ghrut, asawa
aristha older are better. Honey also. In Aswas we use only herbs water sugar
and other where in aristha we use decoction or क्वाथ of herbs if which we are preparing medicines.
Ayulink: May be because of
alcohol prohibition in Gujarat, I find very few Vaidyas prescribing asava and
arishta. Most commonly we use dashamularishta, kumaryasav, abhayarishta,
lohasav etc.
Vd. Pritam veer:Yes ,I do use
very less Aswas aristha , as some pt deny to take these bcz of alcohol content
their smell also.
Plz all of you
share asawa which you prescribe with their indications. That would be better
instead of discussing advantages and disadvantages.
Dr.Vasupradha R: https://ayurmedinfo.com/2016/01/13/aragwadha-arishtam-uses-ingredients-side-effects/?share=email&nb=1
Vd. Sachin
Kadlag:CNS produces Aaragwadharishta
यद् अपक्व-औषध -अम्बुभ्यां सिद्धं मद्यं स आसवः ।
अरिष्टःक्वाथसिद्धः स्याद् .... ।। Sharangdhar samhita
madhyamkhand 10/2
That why arishta
kalpana is more strong (tikshana) as compared to aasava kalpana
Dr.Siva kumar: Coz dy r more
concentrated due to decotn.
Vd. Sachin
Kadlag:yes, aasava -arishta mainly to be used kapha dominant people or kaphavata
dominant people. In pitta dominant people few aasavas like chandaasava
/saarivadyasava can be used but in less dose with more water and with
precaution
Chitrakasava
/kanakasava ... these I use kapha pradhana shwasa kasa 20 ml with equal warm water two times a day
after food
Kutajarishta in
chirakalin atisaara /pravahika with agnimandya and udar shula
Vidangarishta for
krumi specially in children between 12 to 16 years of age 10 ml to 15 ml twice
a day for 15 - 30 days
Khadirarishta in
kaphapradhana kushtha
Draksharishta or
drakshasava for agnimandya
Dashmularishta
for kapha vata pradhana shotha and sandhi shula
Ashwagandharishta
as balya (for vitality ) and also apetizer
Dr.Siva kumar: Kanakasava
doesn't produce any complications? As it's among sthavara visha
Vd. Sachin
Kadlag: I use kanakasava which is prepared by Vaidya ... not noted any complication
yet but yes precaution is must
Dr.Siva kumar: Precaution in
sense...! Hw- Low doses..
Vd. Sachin
Kadlag: Takrarishta no. 1 in grahani and no. 2 in arsha (shushka )
when we give it
for first time , we should start with low dose
for first few days and with more water. bahu kapha condition is must for
it also we have to stop it or reduce dose when vitiated kapha becomes less
I also use
Saraswatarishtam in children above 2 years and in adults also to increase concentration,
it also helps in reducing anxiety, nervouseness , it increases apetite to some
extent , helps in relieving stress. But here also those who have more heat in
body than better to be avoided ...
I also use
sometimes Amrutarishta for recurrent jwara conditions and its complications. but
all this aasava arishta have to be used for limited period should not be
continued ideally for more than 6 weeks ... it should not become habit
They can be
stopped as early as from 5 to 7days.... may be continued till 1 month on an
average basis ... sometimes upto 6 weeks ...depending upon desired results
Ayulink: Takrarishta, is
it easily available?
Dr.Mrugeshkumar
patel: Which type of complication seen during amrutarishta, kankasava.
Vd. Sachin Kadlag: In Pune its
easily available
Dr. Arvind Sahane: I use dabur
dashmoolarishth For incomplete missed abortion ( small part of retained product
)
Dr.Vasupradha R: Asava or
arishtam n Amla pitham can be used?
Ayulink: I found mostly
asava and arishta from Zandu and Sandu good quality.
Dr.Vasupradha R: Sna ,
dhootpaapeshwar s also good
Dr. Arvind Sahane: I use sandu But I seen results of dabur dashmoolarishth in
incomplete missed abortion more better other Pharma
Vd. Sachin
Kadlag:agasti pharmaceuticals and vagbhat pharmaceuticals
Ayulink: some years ago
there was a product in the market from a company of Dhaka, Bangladesh..name was
' Mrut sanjivani sura'. Is it still available? Dr.Navneeth Krishnan: I
mainly use arista and asava.cos we are preparing it and compared to other forms
of medication it's so cheap for both patients. And at the end of prepration
more finished product will be available for us to use.
Ayulink: People in
Gujarat, were crazy of it, as they found this sura as best alternate to
alcohol.
Dr.Sushant Patil: It's available
of AVP i think
Ayulink: Pl brief us for
any special asava and arishta products of your own. We will not consider as
your marketing.
Dr.Sandeepji:Glass bottles
aasavaarist have good effect and plastic bottles have less effective. Is it
true????
Dr.Navneeth
Krishnan: Few more difficulties are the in preparation of asava and aristam. Cos
like after 40/45 day we won't get the desired taste and dark color. It takes
time.
Dr.Siva kumar: Grishma is best
season right!
Vd. Sachin Kadlag: Not found any
major complications but increasing heat, feeling more hungry, burning in
abdomen very few times like bhrama are seen (most likely symptoms of
hypoglycemia )but not frequent .
Dr.Navneeth
Krishnan: Just producing the classical asava and aristam like amrutarista,abhayarista,
vasarista, jeerakarista, punarnavasava, khadirarista, balarista, aswagandarista,
kumaryasava, dasamoolarista, asokarista, partharista etc. Cos it's so strict
here in Kerala about the license.only limited quantities can be produced for a
year. And need special license to open the arista bottles and to mix it. And
one more thing is there, many times the medicines that we use may not work. Its
cos the prepration may be from different references. So we should always see
the ingredients and make sure it's the same that we thought off. Example-two
abhayarista reference is there.in one amalaki is more than abhaya and in the
other one abhaya is more along with some other medicines.
Cos sir I was
using sudarsanam tablet of avn and few days back i brought one from bipha. The
medicines are different with different references. Then some companies produce
shaddharana from susruta and some from vaghbhata reference, and some substitute
ativisha by Musta.so the indication can also differ. This is what I feel
Dr.V.B.Maheshwari: They told us
just bcoz there is a reason. Bcoz of alcohol. Just like whisky and other
alcoholic products. As the concentration of alcohol increase, potency of
medicine will also increase.
Dr.Santanand
kumar: Asava & Arista are good as old but why they are using preservative.
Mentioned expiry date
Vd. Sachin
Kadlag:which company is this? because Sandu and other which we use other companies
here. don't shows preservatives and no
expiry also. arishtas from Sandu also
have preservatives and also few aasavas
have found few preservatives from sandu but
no expiry date, but aasava arishtas from cns is not showing preservatives. you
are actually in manufacturing . you can guide us on use of preservatives in
aasava arishta.
Dr.Navneeth
Krishnan: In asava and aristam there is no need of preservative.as it gets old the
Virya and color gets better. So far havnt noted any problem in asava and
aristam even after 4/5yrs with out preservatives. But Sir as per my experience
so far( just 1 and half year),qwatha
need preservatives.expecially those with Guducci gets damaged easily.
Ayulink: Kwath is a
different presentation and different product, that will require preservatives
for longer shelf life. My question is for the use of preservatives: is there
any effect - good or bad from these preservatives?
Vd. Nehal Shah:What is the dose
for children and adult?
Dr.Mahendra
Sharma: We use asava arishtam from kottakal and vaidyaratnam oushadhsala. We also
use saraswatarishtam for concentration anxiety
Vd. Annop S
Anand: Without preservatives may be the alcohol percentage might rise
Dr.Navneeth
Krishnan: Good and bad we have to say. Cos good in the sense it can last long I mean
the shelf life. Bad in some sense as sodium proply and methyl paraben can
reduce the pitta hara effect of medicines. Cos my nose was burning once i
smelled proply paraben
Vd. Pritam veer:There are
many,which I do use personally at home for my kid, my family as well
Branko Markowic: Benzoate is
quite tricky as in eu is very little amount is prohibited while in India much
more..Altogether is dangerous as chemical but natural for is ok. Problem is
that is many formulas and herbs, metals, minerals are even caring this position
deep in the tissues..
Dr.Ravibhusan S
Sonawale:Dashmoolarisht , Vidangarisht , Kumari asav etc Very useful in niruha basti
also ...
Dr. Vivek D shah: There may b side
effects of preservatives...
One study found
that i share below...
In 2004, findings
from a study published in the "Journal of Applied Toxicology" were
released indicating that parabens may play a role in the development of certain
types of breast cancer. Specifically, parabens act like estrogen, which may
increase the risk of women developing estrogen-positive breast cancer. Researchers
conducted tests on 20 different samples of human breast tumors, which revealed
parabens to be present in each sample. This study was the first to indicate the
seeping of these substances from the outer skin during application to
underlying tissue. Additionally, the fact that parabens mimic natural estrogen
is of special concern because estrogen can trigger and drive the growth of
estrogen-positive breast tumors. These findings do not mean a specific
cause-effect relationship exists; much more research is needed to determine the
role of parabens.
Vd. Sachin
Kadlag:which company?
Vd. Pritam veer:With added
preservatives
Dr.Navneeth
Krishnan: Actually the preservatives are bad for health. But once we make medicines
of our own, we will come across the practical difficulties. Like the stability
of medicine is an important thing, if there is no stability, no one will buy
it. So finally we have to depend on preservatives
Dipak padia: I am pharmacist;
Any medicine you manufacture is having self life. Ayurvedic medicines are
natural source of medicine which will get bacterial growth after some time
storage. Bacterial growth depends on storage condition and contents of
composition of formula. If moisture is more than 2% in final product than
medicine shelf life is very less. One has to add preservative to increase shelf
life of the medicine. Earlier Ayush Department was not insisting for shelf
life, only manufacturing date was mentioned. Now each dosages form has shelf
life of two, three or five years depends on the products.
Use of
preservatives is safe if used in prescribed dose as mentioned in Pharmacoepia.
One has to do stability data before manfacturing and selling the product in
market which will give more assurance about the product.
Alcohol it
self inhibits the bacterial growth so in
Alcoholic products bacterial growth is not found. It is highly acidic PH. PH
more than 4 (between 1 to 4 ) bacteria
can not grow. When PH is less than 5 of the product Preservative is must. For
Dry Product like, Tablets and Capsules moisture should be less than 2% so
Bacetrial grwoth is controlled. Most of the Tablets and capsules Presrevatives
are not require.
Dr.Ramesh Natu: Preservatives
can have bad effects. Sodium meta bisulfite which is being commonly used
in Indian homes is very toxic if used in
excessive quantities.Hydrogen peroxide have toxic effects,self generated
alcohol can be good but asava are used as drink then the effects will be
similar to liquors. Why Maggie was banned for some time? All preservatives used
in the prescribed limits then you will get wonderful results.Otherwise bad for
the health.
Dr.V.B.Maheshwari: What about
Bhasma kalpana? It is told that Bhasma is not having any expiry date.
Dipak padia: It is purified
substance and, 100% dry substance so shelf life is more but it is required to
case to case substance after doing stability data. Ideally should not be more
than 5 years. After 5 year again to retest it and can be used.
Ayulink: Any specific
indication according to age, sex or prakriti to use asava or arishta?
For example for
certain age asava is good or for certain prakriti arishta is good etc
Dr. Hiral
Khakhar: If preservatives used in limits then other kalpna like ready swaras can be
used for long time?
Ayulink: I think
yes,,,,like amla juice or aloe vera juice
Dr. Govind Dakh: Sir can u guide
me more about preaervative
Vd. Pritam veer:No, what our
granth says, that swaras must be used within 6hrs.
Vd Dipam
Tripathi: Available Parma - Multani
21014: What will b
effect on body if herbal products are used after expiry date. Can herbal
products b harmful post expiry date or they become less potent after their
declared shelf life.
Vd. Hardik
Bhatta: I think for kastha aushadhi ..there is expire date because it will be less
potential after some time which is described in book but not for basma , Ras
aushadhi and asav arishtha.
Dr.Mrugeshkumar: why bhasma,ras
aushadi has long potential & no need to add preserve ?
Shree Minoo
Parabia: Bhasma, all, are oxides, ash. Ash doesn't spoil, unless it is wet.
Dr.Sandeep kumar: Can ashav artist
be prescribed to diabetic patients without any caution
Ayulink: I personally
allow. Like lodhrasav is very good for diabetic patients.But pt having
additional complains then diabetes, and you want to prescribe asava for that
other then diabetes complains , you must be careful.
Dr. Jignesh
Thakkara: Personally i think svaras should not be used with preservatives
Sachinchndra
jayswal: I use amrutarishta in diabetes.
Vd Saneep
Ahirkar: Asav n arishta are useful in diabetes.
Vd. Pritam veer:As far as I know
my guru used to prescribe faltrikadi kadha and Ayaskruti in prameh. If anyone
can explain.
Dr.Sandeep kumar: Many diabetic
patients comes with complain of cough for cough they demands liquid syrup. ???
881: Ayaskriti is
good medicine found effective in kaphaja pandu clinically I found it very
effective in pcod with obesity & raised sugar...
With regard to
diabetes i think the stage wether vata, pitta or kapha (late...or early...)
matters in using asava-arista...one should be careful as gur or ferment
preparation are restricted in prameha
Vd Saneep
Ahirkar: National seminar on kalpas vd deopujari sir explained that syrups are form
made by companies not by acharya bcoz all formulation are having concept of
gamitwa...Means reaching capacity of drug upto dhatus specific
881: Just a thought,
I personally avoid asava-arista prepation as here in Bengal due to humid weather
it ferments turn sour quick...resulting pitta dushti..which is common complain
in apaan desh...
Vd Saneep
Ahirkar: Yes sir it's one nice thought
Sachinchndra
jayswal: Arishta should be given in diluted form after breakfast in DM patients. I
never see any complication .
Dr. Sharmila
kulkarni:I use Chandanasav n Ushirasav in menorrhagia . I prescribe Kumari
Asavam in puberty for inducing good ovulatory cycle so normal
cycles. This avoids pcod to some extent.
Dr.V.B.Maheshwari: Aasav aarista
are sugar base, so if you are prescribing any aasav or arista then you should
regular check his/her blood glucose level.
If you wanna
prescribe him/her any syrup, kashyam are
good.
503: I prescribe
Dashmoolarishta, along with Balant kwath in post natal (after delivery
/caeserian section) period
966: Balant kwath.
.??
503: Balant kadha is
a preparation made specifically for post delivery period. There are 3 balant
kwath /kadha preparations available in market
No. 1 is
preparation made up of Dashmoolarishta, Draksha, Dhamaki, koshtha, pippali,
musta n jatamansi. Should be given for first 10 days after delivery. Mode of
action is anti-inflammatory, healing, help in uterine involution (bringing at
normal position), anti infective. Balant kadha no. 2 contain mostly stanya
janan dravya (galactologue/helps in good breast milk production). Should be
given from 11 to 20 days. Balant kwath no. 3 contain Lohasava, Arjunarishta,
Ashwagandharishta. Mode of action is Nutritive tonic, reduce backache,
appetiser, strengthen genital system. Should be given from 21 to 60 days post
delivery
Dr. Arvind Sahane: I use
draksharishth/drakshashav + amritarishth
To relieve
alcohol withdrawing syndrome
966: But after
C-section can we use kwath no.1??
Dr. Arvind Sahane: Then after also
add ashwagandharishthand any liver tonic preparation
Dr. Sharmila
kulkarni: I prefer giving Devdarvyadi kwath with Dashmoolarishta for postnatal
period till 3 mnths. As Balantkadha is not available outside Maharashtra...I
suppose
Vd. Avni Kaneria: Ashokarishta is
good for menorrhagia. Kumari aasav is good for irregular or oligomenorrhea.
Dr. Arvind Sahane: I use sandu
Pharma. Available in Surat.
Dr.V.B.Maheshwari: Which pharmacy
is providing good quality of aasav aarista? I used dabur but results are not so
impressive.
Dr. Hiral
Khakhar: I think sandu is good. Zandu also good
Dr. Bhavin
Chavda: Can we use bhringrajasava for indralupta??Or result is seen or not????
Dr.Vasupradha R: Dhootpaapeshwar,
Avp, Vaidyaratnam are good.
Dr.Navneeth
Krishnan: I havnt used Kumaryasa yet. Can you plz explain how kumaryasava works in
oligomenorrhoea and irregular periods ?(
while seeing the phalasruti of kumaryasava it states raktapitta,balya
and Vrishya )
Dr.Vasupradha R: Abhayarishtam can
also be used in oligomenorrhoea
Vd. Pritam veer:I use asawa
aristha of sandu , dhoot, vaidya ratnam, sometimes cns. But I gi for sandu as
their preparation are available in 200ml bottle.
Otherwise all
above are good.I use veertaradyasawa in urinary disorders.
713: kidney stone good
Results
Vd. Pritam veer:Not used for
kidney stone. Hv used varunadi kadha for kidney stone. Kumari asawa is mainly
bhedana in nature along with artavjanan. So it breaks dosh sanghat or dosh
vibandh by vayu in garbhashay. As far as I know kumari asawa does harmonal
regulation also. So automatically artav production becomes normal. It relieves
manas hetu also.
539: We get only
kottakal and baidyanath asava aristam here, among that Kottakkal is best till now,
wonderful result,Ashoka arista wonderful result in all bleeding disorder ,
abhaya arista for bleeding piles, harmorroid with other herb, khadiradiarista
is very beneficial in all skin diseases ,I am very happy to see satisfying
result in psoriasis,eczema etc
Dr.Navneeth
Krishnan: Madam my doubt is how it acts in anarthava.is it due to prabava coz its
Guna and karmaa are guru, sheeta,brhmana,rasayana,vrushya and raktapitta hara
Vd. Pritam veer:Karma , kumari
bhedan. That's what I explained sir, plz read my reply again
757: Actually, it is
necessary to know the basic reason (gunas involved) in anartava. Artav is agneya
swarup, it is formed from ras (some believe, its from rakta).Ushna guna+mudh
vata - this condition will be ideal to think of kumariasava.If the agnimandya
exists right from amashaya/yakrit itself, the corrections are required at
digestion level first before providing any phyto-estrogens.Kumari is beneficial
for yakrit and helps improving pitta strav.
Kumari should not
be consumed for long.. many cases of menorrhagia are required to stop daily
consumption of kumari juice, even ras tantra saar repeatedly mentions not to
take kumariasava for long.
Dr. Dayanand
Bothre: I use arvindasav in children who don’t have proper appetite.
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