Wednesday, April 4, 2018

Medhya rasayana according to #Ayurveda

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Next topic for discussion: Medhya rasayana 
Dhruv Jani: Which boost the power of Medha is known as Medhya Rasayana. Brahmi, Shankhpushpi, Mandukparni etc are well known Medhya Rasayana.
Aay Stu Dhruv Jani: In mental disorders Nasya of Saraswat ghrita gives best result.
USA Ami Keyur shah: Can someone share a technique to do nasya at home for kids and adults??? What should be the dose of Saraswat churna and  jatamansi for 9 yr and 12 yr old kids? And also Guduchi? Guduchi is Galo Satva??

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Gary Yuen: Does anyone have experience with guduchyadi rasayana? Is this the most effective memory aid? Cakradatta mentions it "makes one capable of memorizing a thousand stanzas in only three days". It might be a main formula for those sages that memorize the vedas.

Ayulink: No idea about Guduchi. But most common is Brahmi rasayana
Dr. Ravibhusan S Sonawale Nasik: Yes
Dr. Mrugeshkumar Patel:Mandukparni, yastimadu, guduchi, sankhapuspi are medhaya rasayana
Gary Yuen: Guduchyadi is made of Guduchi (Tinospora cordifolia Wild.), Apamarga (Achyranthes aspera Linn.), Vidanga (Embelia ribes Burm. f.), Shankhapushpi (Convolvulus pluricaulis Chois.), Vaca (Acorus calamus Linn.), Haritaki (Terminalia chebula Zetz.), Kushtha (Saussurea lappa C.B. Clarke), Shatavari (Asparagus racemosus Wild.), Cow’s ghee and sugar. Any thoughts about how it might compare?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3611646/#!po=61.2500
Vd. nikul patel: I am using Medhyarasayan which contains 25% guduchi and really works great !! I have used in memory, stress, depresson and also in pregnancy too.
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: It is very good
Gary Yuen: Any commercial preparations of good quality?
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: Chakradutta mention it as madhya rasayan. It is good as antioxidant also. Many research done over it. In cancer also it has some results. No. I'm preparing it myself only. If we give bhavna of jyotishmati inside this then potency of drug will be more. Yes it is very good to enhance memory power. Thousands of stanzas in 3 days is like *Anupras alankar*(just to highlight the importance of drug), but if u take it for 3 months then your memory power will definitely increase.
Gary Yuen: the description may mean it's among the most powerful for memory.
Dr. Kalpesh Vani: If you can please tell the procedure of making guduchyadi rasayan then it will be very helpful to all
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: Okay
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt: I m using my own compound Brahmi, Shankpushpi, Vacha, Yastimadhu, Guduchi, Suggest patient to take Kushmand (pumpkin)as vegetable. In senile memory loss I suggest Brahmi vati as Madhya rasayan.
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: But if you going to prescribe her rasayan then shodhan is must then only you will get good results. if complete shodhan is not possible then go for nitya Virechana with hareetki churna in night time with lukewarm water.
Vd Rameshwar Dhanaji: Saraswat churna of bhaishajya ratnawali gives good results.
Dr. Amrish A Shah: Brahmi Shankhpuspi Yastimadhu Guduchi Satavari Sarasvat Churan Sambhag Jatamansi Vacha50Gm mandurBhasma 25Gm 5gm bid with Cow milk Sakaryukt. Palash mool Ark Good For All Netra Rog my 42years Experience
Dr. Siva Kumar: Dosage?
Dr. Rakhi Maniyar: How it can use.?
Dr. Amrish A Shah: Akhandanand Pharmacy Ahmedabad Two Drop Both Eyes 5 minutes. Rest
Dr. Pritam Veer: As far as I know Medhya Rasayan that acts on 'manah' , in cases of Unmad , Asnar,Simple depression. I use Brahmi vati , saraswat churn, jatamansi my favourite which sometimes I also take by making fant , abhrak bhasma good in kafaj disorders and Medhya , got good results from mahakalyanak ghrut too good.  Also Simply i use vacha .Last but not the least Himalaya 's TagarA capsule excellent result. In aristha I use Sarswatarisht too. In Single dravyas chikitsa i use Amruta , Gokshur , Narayani Brahmi vacha mansi also.  Got good results Or simply ask the patient to do nasyA of mahakyanak ghrut , Brahmi ghrut. Nice action.Daily nasyA of any gheu available at home also acts as Medhya Rasayan. Just train your patient to do nasya.
USA Dr. Anjum: I am using Brahmin rasayan , saraswathi aristam for medha rasayan .Showing good results long with Nasya , Nasya with badam rogan oil or desi cow ghee . I am recommending for kids specially those kids who have problem with ADHD and ADD it's helping them to calm down , relax and focus
Dr. Jayesh Thakkar: Yes the herbs mentioned are medhya and effective...wondering most of them used as ghee or gur-lehya kalpana...is it for pitta / vata basis or a potential media...Nowadays this medhya available as sugar granules ready milk mix...is this option good wrt time(vacha, brahmi, almond most are bitter mix taste)
Gary Yuen: Some formulas typically include yastimadhu. Would the use of sugar instead remain effective, or maybe even be harmful?
Colombia Dr Mario Herrera: Sugar has a high glicemic load compared with yasthimadhu. I think it will do more harm than good
Gary Yuen: Seems to be. There is a study confirming yasthimadhu alone as effective but sugar I haven't heard of as such. Maybe in a small dose it can act as a carrier and enhance delivery?
Dr. Jayesh Thakkar: Yes maybe as carrier or palatibility...same can be for jaggery or sugar...lehya preparation...Am wondering of forms...Eg..Brahmi as juice, powder, ghee, lehyas etc does any special effect media has..now see in arista only one common we have Saraswatarista...why so
Gary Yuen: Unsure though some herbs may loose effectiveness in aristha. I have heard mandukaparni has some properties destroyed with heat. As far as Saraswatarista, some herbs such as ginger pippali and i think even haritaki have been shown to increase absorption of guduchi. At least pippali or black pepper i think may be beneficial in some amount in all formulas and food.Is there a best way to consume? With milk? After food? After each meal? 2 of 3 times a day? Studies of medhya rasayana use a variety of methods.
Ayulink: Is there any side effects of Tagara and Vacha?
Dr. Jayesh Thakkar: Anupana can be case specific...Rasayana kala I think is early morning empty stomach as per shastra...am not sure if we can use muhur muhur. As per Dravyaguna Tagar is kapha vata samak, usna virya mentioned to cause bhrama, hikka and vaman in over dose...clinically have found Tagar lowers BP induces sleep so have to be careful in using
Ayulink: Some Medhya rasayana are memory booster, some are nidrakar, some are like tranquilizer, some are useful for akshep-fits, epilepsy etc, Do we have noted side effects and complication of these Medhya rasayana? For example, sarpagandha is having side effects and that's why modern scientists don't prescribe it.
Dr. Jayesh Thakkar: Opened Dravyaguna to check and interestingly found Medhyadi Varga has - Medhya (Mandukparni, Sankhpushpi, Jyotishmati, Kusmand...); Madkari (Ahiphena..); Sanjyasthapan (Vacha, Jatamansi...); Nidrajanan (Sarpagandha..); Vedna sthapan (Tagar, Rasna...). I think the extracts shows side effect as whole it doesnot show side effect but adverse effect on overdose...Serpentine side effect so modern avoid sarpagandhadi gulika use i never heard any senior or myself getting adverse result. Technically Ayurveda or holistic medicines may show adverse or unwanted effected on overdose or wrongly used but not side-effects...(As per modern pharmacology adverse & side effect differs...A tranquilizer or pain killer may act but result liver damage as side effect...An Ayurveda medicine used as purgative if not given properly may result more or less stool as adverse/unwanted effect but not cause side effect...) this is what i think correct me if my understanding not right.
Croatia Branko Markovic: It can be taken muhur muhur. For patient who cannot take the whole amount early morning we prescribe 3 TID  Also never heard abt any side effect of sarpagandha Ghana vati Or came across in my practice
Dr. Amrish A Shah: Proper Doase like 1TID no Side effect but long Time may be High Doase Very long Time but not Harmful
Dr. Ravibhusan S: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3459457/
Dr. Vivek D. Shah: Yes...i use sarpgandha regularly...from very lower dose to high dose..but i hav never seen the side effects of it if our dose n diagnose are proper...
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: If you use sarpagandha for long time it will show adverse effects. It will give more negative thoughts to patient. Patient will suffer with depression.  I experienced this in my opd and in our college also.
Dr. Vivek D. Shah: I think *dose* n *formulation* makes the differance.. Cause very lower dose givs poweefull effect...
Croatia Branko Markovic: Also depend of dose.. I don’t give more then 750 mg daily or in extreme cases 1 g of Ghana vati. Even longer period of 2 BD of 250 mg is very good effect
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: Definitely dosage is imp. But I never tried 1gm. usually i use up to 500mg only.
Croatia Branko Markovic: Dose anybody use Vacha as single drug?
Dr. Vivek D. Shah: I just use dipped water of sarpagandha stick/stem...even that also gv powerfull effect Yes i use it for swallowing its root for tonsilities n stomatities...
Dr. Mrugeshkumar: l use vacha on toung for stammering
Croatia Branko Markovic: Here we use Vacha mainly for stomatitis. very less people in folk medicine know medhya properties
Ayulink: Yes. Hemvacha (vacha + gold) is used for stammering. That is for opening of brain receptors and good for speech problems
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Specially neurological. Cases like Paralysis, Parkinson's, Multiple system atrophy Medhya rasayanas works.
Specifically degenerative diseases, CNS disorders Medhya rasayanas with Marma chikitsa highly effective.  If kanta also affected by pakshaghata Vacha.yastimadhu can be used with stimulation of nila and manya including trimarma for 45 days.
Ex:Brahmi.ashwagandha.satavari. ashwagandhadi ((vacha)if bells also affected.. with Marma (trimarma and 12 padhu marma)
Any kind of vatasambandhi roga.(pakshavata.) Including nasya. Give you the best results In pakshaghata. Also you can use ajaaswagandhadhi rasayana. Use mahaprasarani for nasya for 21days bring back bells palsy including siromaramas.
Ayulink: wow. thats great to know abt Medhya rasayana with marma therapy. Is there any book available for the subject?
Croatia Branko Markovic: Yes I use it a lot in combination with local herbs here.. lavander is very aromatic and working on calming down as well good for sleep
Dr Anshul Bahl: Medhya Rasayana is a group of 4 medicinal plants that can be used singly or in combinations. They are Mandukaparni (Centella asiatica Linn.), Yastimadhu (Glycirrhiza glabra Linn.), Guduchi (Tinospora cordifolia (Wild) Miers) and Shankhapushpi (Convolvulus pleuricaulis Chois).
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Sarpagandha you can use in brain degenerative if vata entered to manomaya koshas. Don't use more then 30 days.i seened slight side effects.
Student Shail: A little chocolate before going to study can improve memory and concentration
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: I felt more research necessary in this particular field..
Sachinchndra jayswal: Akkarkara with honey
Vd. Vipul Patil: Guduchi is best " Rasayan" But  It's ras is tikat i.e unpleasant So like satavari kalpa I m using Guduchi kalpa. Like wise
Some rasayan are preferable use as swaras So every time to get fresh swaras of mandukparni or brahmi to get little difficult So Brahmi kalpa
Mandukparni kalpa.
Gary Yuen: rosemary has been used since the greeks and romans for memory. It's related to mint and basil.
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Brahmi, yastimadhu, amruth and sankhapuspi out of 4 Anyone of rasayan with milk increases ojas, ayu, bala, svara, inteligence and agni. Specifically shankapuspi.
31503: Saraswatarishta n Panchendriy vardhan tail nasya works nicely as Medhya
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Salaparni ,shatavari with ghee works as medha rasayana.
Dr. Siva Kumar: Pratimarsha nasya sir?!
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Guduchi, amruth, vayuvidanga, shankapuspi, vacha, shunti, shatavari and uttarane with ghee works as a memory booster."Tribirdenehaishlokasahasradharinim" By using this he able to remember 1000 shlokas.
Gary Yuen: caraka also mentions chyawanprash, other formulas, and triphala rasayanamaparam. There seem to be three preparations of trphala rasayanamaparam: triphala, 6 metals including gold?, vaca; or triphala, vidanga, and pippali; or just triphala and salt? Each are taken with honey and ghee.
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Yes exactly but I got results after applying marma chikitsa .
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Shirodhara is best n most widely used as effector on Marma esp. Ajna chakra. One of 3 marmas, head, Medhya procedure. Used as Rasayan.
Vd. Khyati Jariwala: I m using shankhpushpi + shatavari + ashwagandha
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Yes, its effective.its gives miracle results in psychological cases.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Probable mode of  action. Medhya procedure. Medhya is to brain. What Hrudya is to heart. Not just medicines. Rasayana Means that which increase tge bal of that particular Dhaatu.
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Marma and medhya rasayana. This formula for one to see in future specifically psychological disease's..
Dr Jayesh Patel: Does any one have experience of jyotismati as medhya rasayan? I have just read about jyotismati but never tried??
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: True. Jyotishmati oil nasya.. i tried in a case of pcod. Result encouraging. But need to b careful in pts wth pitta prakruti. Just like Vacha.very Tikshna. Jyotishmati is.
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Triphala, trikatu, root of eranda, root of drumstick and saindhav with ghee and gomutra . This medhya sutra with Marma adi  90 days pathya. Heals unmaada.
Dr. Satish Panda: Reference please
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Paramparika.
Dr. Satish Panda: Yoga also play a vital role in nootropic action
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: As my experience marma chikitsa with medhya rasayana helps to bring back patient to healthy state. As I noticed marma chikitsa so important. And bruhatrayi explained about only a marmabhighata and marmavyadhis. Never acharya s mentioned marma chikitsa paddhati . I use keraliya kalari marma chikitsa paddhati with medhya medicines for degenerative cases.
Dr. Satish Panda:  Tadasana develops physical and mental balance. Tiryak Tadasanabalances the body as well as the mind.Vrukshasana gives sense of balance and poise. Virabhadrasana develops concentration power. Trikonasanastimulates the nervous system and alleviates nervous depression. Kapalabhati energizes the mind for mental work and removes sleepiness.While performing Anuloma-Viloma, breathing through the left nostril tends to activate the right hemisphere and breathing through the right nostril activates the left hemisphere. It has calming effect and relieves anxiety, improves concentration, and stimulates Ajna cakra. The brain centers are stimulated to work nearer to their optimum capacity. Bhramari relieves stress and cerebral tension, and thus helps in alleviating anger, anxiety, and insomnia. Omkar Dhyanaproduces benefits at many levels of life. It simultaneously influences body, emotions, mental functioning, and relationships. Meditation also improves brain functioning, enhances the ability to focus, improves perception and memory, promotes development of intelligence, decreases craving for cigarette, alcohol, and drug abuse, along with decreasing the withdrawal symptoms, induces relaxation, and decreases stress. Meditation is an inherent ability of the human body. Meditation is an activity whereby the nervous system, brain, and senses get tuned themselves for best functioning. During meditation, the concentration on different Cakraslike on Muladhara Cakra enhances health and Vidya, Manipura Cakraenhances Vidya and capacity, and on Vishudha Cakra brings about improvement in speech and knowledge. The Satvasarata state leads to excellence of memory; this state can be brought about by the regular practice of Yoga, so as to improve nootropic action.
Dr. Satish Panda: Why vacha have special action on Speech?
Dr. Ravibhusan S Sonawale: Kshir ghrit abhyaso rasayan. So bramhi ghrit ,mahakalyanak ghrit iam using after  shodhana. Yes agree but not only medhya rasayan all rasayan chikitsa works ..
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Yes.agree.i specifically mentioned for brain degenerative cases.
Dr. Jyoti Ashok: For jarturva rogas( diseases above the neck) owshada kala is night while going to bed. so I think medya drugs acts better if v give at night
Dr. Ravibhusan: But Rasayan kal is different
Dr. Mahendra Ther: In migraine which type of nasya are useful?
Dr. Satish Panda: I am using Vidanga in pakshya dhata,result were also satisfactory,is there any reference that   Vidanga is included in madhya rasayan?
Dr. Ravibhusan S Sonawale: Ghrit kukunm sharkara nasaya ..
Ayulink: Usually we recommend 1drop of jyotishmati oil with a glass of milk to drink in the morning as Medhya rasayana. Sometimes u can increase the dose upto 2-3 drops, but it needs a lot care and supervision.  Never try in summer or pure pitta people. It is very much ugra.
Dr. Tejendra Singh: Anu oil or Shadbindu oil
Dr. Rachana Mumbai: My uncle had got neuropathy, and he was using jyotishmati tail for with milk But his neuropathy was worsening So he had to discontinue with jyotishmati oil So one mentioned earlier that jyotishmati tail should be used very cautiously in pitta prakruti pt
Dr. Mahendra Sharma: I also normally use anu tailam and sadabindu tailam for migraine
Dr Anzil Eramangalath: In migraine, Pathyashadangam Kashayam should be give at Night, will give good effecr
Dr. Sanjeev Gupta: Kooshmand ( Benincasa hispida) is also useful in period attack of hysteria . I used kushmand ghart in hysteria .
Dr Anzil Eramangalath: In my hospital , on every second sunday, we will give Swarnamritha prashnam  to children, and in that almost 1300 kids will  attain medhya Rasayana
Dr Piyushbhai Prajapati: Kushmandadiavleha also used in psychological condition.
Vd. Divyakumari solanki: Proportion of each please
Dr Anzil Eramangalath: List is not full, and it is patent of company, so I don't know, but you can refer Swarnaprasana in KB to get another recipe
Dr. Aksht Sapare: suvarbindu prashan on each PUSHYA nakshatra also works as medhya rasayan...along with daily satvik aahar sevan...regular pranayam...omkar sadhna.....daily head massage...n..padabhyang...
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: Every body is talking about medhya drugs and it's dosage. But in my opinion if you are planning for medhya rasayan then first go for shodhan then only rasayan will show some results. I personally experienced this, I tried in some patients without Shodhana, results are not so good but when I give shodhan first then results are too good.
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: Before rasayan prayog one should go for Shodhana them only rasayan effects will come.
Ayulink: Agreed. Rasayana chikitsa is one of the objectives of Panchkarma. Rasayana can be better effective if followed by Shoshana, there is no doubt abt it. But eventhough I am practicing Panchkarma Vaidya, I think it is not mandatory to go for Panchkarma for any type of rasayana karma.Medhya rasayana needs shodhan of mansik bahva too. How to make shodhana of satva, rajas and tamasa ? Meditation? Pranayama? Any particular process to. Affect triguna?before to administer Medhya rasayana?
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: If you go for Panchkarma then you will get results like Fhalshruti said in the quotation. But practically it can't b possible.
So normally I prescribe nitya VirechanaI was expecting this. For this meditation is best. But i is difficult in children
Ayulink: That's complimentary opinions shows our respects and confidence in each other.
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: So for children I mostly educate parents to avoid use of mobile and tv for children. Aachary told three folds of chikitsa in this dav vayapashirya chikitsa is good for manas dosha balance
Ayulink: For deaddiction of mobile, computer and other electronic gadgets Medhya rasayana are the need of the time.
Dr. Satish Panda: Achar Rasayan is the answer to this problem.
Ayulink: Even online shopping addiction is now burning problem. We are getting more and more young patient having this kind of addiction. There we give shirodhara, meditation, and Brahmi ghrut nasya. And it works.
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: Very true.
Dr. Satish Panda: I thing here also we can use or advise aachar Rasayan
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: But if you are not prescribing him any medicine then they will not get any results. It will definitely work bcoz it normalize dosha.
Dr. Satish Panda: No no medicine and panch karma is must,inspite of this we can give some good advised to pts.(aachar Rasayan)
Dr. Amrish A Shah: I am give daily Triphala churn or Tablet. For Shothan Chickitsa
Vd.Avinash Chougule: For broad spectrum thinking use saraswatarishta n for straight or simple thinking jatamansi Phanta
Vd Mahavurya Dasa: Exactly.without shodhan rasayana not effective.
Student Shail H. Bhavsar: Absolutely right. And all dharaniya veg should be suppressed to become jitendriya. It can be helpful for mansik dosh sodhana.
Croatia Branko Markovic: It can be effective..in many cases it is working even without shodana..nitya virechan is also good option..best is with shodan..also if there is some complications during rasayana treatment we can give nitya virechan or just purgation one day and that will further increase effect of rasayana.Vacha, ashwagandha, guduchi are working best in realm of depression without hyperactivity. Sarpagandha, hyperactivity, fears, anxiety Yashtimadhu should cover all above. It is noticeable from my experience of giving guduchi in rasayana doses that every patient had feeling of being happy “without reason”.
Gary Yuen: Haritaki is first among rasanayas in caraka that are mentioned as promoting memory. Any experience with that alone? Studies speculate that antioxidants that reduce oxadative stress help memory loss. In that case, haritaki amalaki and triphala are among the best known.To reduce memory loss and cognitive decline with aging, some general recommendations are to take B12 starting at age 50. It might be good for all persons. Alzheimer's is also now called diabetes type 3, and it's possible prameha treatment may aid.
Dr. Siva Kumar: Wt abt manasamitra vatakam?
Dr. Pritam Veer: Mns mitra has very good results. Just issue is with patient's affordability. They are too costly.
Dr. Rajendra Joshi: Amalaki+draksha+guda is good rasyana . It can be used daily in children's as well as adults
Dr Anzil Eramangalath: There was a Study regarding Manasamitra vs oleozepan,have any body read it?
Dr. Rajendra Joshi: Manasamitra vatika is not a rasyana
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: Why
Gary Yuen: If you can provide a pubmed link, i can probably get it for you.
Dr. Mahendra Sharma: I use manasamitravatakm and found it a effectice medicine....
Dr Jayesh Patel: Any special precautions during the use of medhya rasayan??
Dr. V B. Maheshwari: Of you are taking rasayan then you should protect your OJA. That means avoid sexual activities. Noting much is spl
Dr. R Prathiban: Manasamitram is effective psychological conditions but it is not rasayana. even herbs with rasayana properties, when used normally can't produce rasayana properties. To get effective rasayana properties should follow dose and procedures mentioned in rasayana chapters
Vd. Nidhi K Patel: Reciting Gyatri Mantra before taking medhya aushadha gives extra benefits.
Dr. Satish Panda: Why Ayurved strongly recommended Swarna Bhasha as rasayan and also as madhya rasayan? I thing all classical mantra have some positive effect on mental status. PRadnya vardhan Strotra aslo give nice result while preparation
Gary Yuen: Manasamitra vs clonazepam. efficacy of Manasamitra Vataka (an Ayurveda medication) on generalized anxiety disorder with comorbid generalized social phobia: a randomized controlled study. Do any texts mention mantras for food or rasayana? Caraka on rasayana mentions only one for kevalamalaka.
Dr. Satish Panda: Nice one,thanks for sharing. But in this study they use more modern parameter,it more useful if they had been used the Ayurved parameters. Because Madhya Rasayan is a broad spectrum,multi dimensional topic.
Dr. R Prathiban: What are ayurveda parameters that can be used to find efficacy of medhya rasayana?
Dr. Satish Panda: Above one is bhojan mantra,one should chant it before taking food. Described in manas roga ,like dhi,dhruti smruti etc.
Dr. R Prathiban: How to quantify dhi, dhruti, Smriti etc after giving rasayana drugs and compare between groups?
Dr. Satish Panda: Question is research oriented , cannot explain it in simple explanation. Above may be helpful you.
Croatia Branko Markovic: Problem is laxative effect in bigger doses.. there should be more research how to adopt big doses and not to cause loose motions.
Dr. R Prathiban: That's the problem we face in our research. Most of ayu drs says measure everything in ayu terms but not having any solid ideas how to do that
Dr. Satish Panda: I think it is because of lack of Proper understanding or Practical application of sanhita.
Dr. R Prathiban: All ayu drs knows what our texts says and all can interpret it well mostly. When applying to research those concepts can be converted to measurable or quantifiable parameters / questions. So it can be followed universally but formulating those parameters clearly lacking in ayurveda community and hence ayu researchers uses modern parameters to quantify research
Dr. Satish Panda: My personal view is that during  PG thesis ,or any other ayurved research use both Modern and Ayurved parameters .
Dr. Pritam Veer: Can anyone plz brief on Suvarna prashan?? As in suvarna bindu we do give many of Medhya dravyas like vacha, Brahmi , shankhapushpi.
Dr. Satish Panda: Making new parameters for research purpose is always challenging. Need dedication,deep knowledge of that subject.
Dr. Pritam Veer: In these days I got many patients who's parents demand for Medhya Rasayan for their kids. Especially in exam days.
Dr. Sahaj Shah: Parameters shud be selected where we can cpare the texts and the modern aspects. The similarities shuf b verified.
Dr. Pritam Veer: Some small kids also need Medhya Rasayan as they don't have stability. So to stabilize them we can give Medhya Rasayan.
Anyone plz share your experience ir expert opinion.
Dr. Ravibhusan S Sonawale: Kumar kalyan ras along with bramhi ghrit .Very good result ..How to do... I Q test ..
31503: Neuroscienc shows how rigorous memorising can help the brain. The term the ‘Sanskrit Effect’ was coined by neuroscientist James Hartzell, who studied 21 professionally qualified Sanskrit pandits. 
He discovered that memorising Vedic mantras increases the size of brain regions associated with cognitive function, including short and long-term memory. This finding corroborates the beliefs of the Indian tradition which holds that memorising and reciting mantras enhances memory and thinking.
https://upliftconnect.com/neuroscience-and-the-sanskrit-effect/
Dr. R Prathiban: One test can't quantify all of the above, if u give medhya rasayana to illiterate people will his IQ test reveal efficacy?
Dr. Ravibhusan S Sonawale: Its an example ..We can do such thing...
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Medhya.  What is meaning of Medha Intelligence.
Of wht kind. Mind related (brain) and Aatma related (heart related) . What kind of intelligence is necessary for optimum human existence and efficiency.  Depending on that. Medhya dravyas cn b used. 8 siidhis or 8 devtas that favoured Agnivesh.  The 1st sutra of 1st chapter of charak samhita. These 8 siddhis  are 8 kinds of Intelligences.. We associate intelligence with Mind or Manas but it is not so. Attributes of Mind  Anu Ek Veg etc 8. Attributes of Aatma, which is a dravya (9  dravya)  and its Attribute 14 as per Saankhya and 9 Adhyatma dravya sangrah (ch. S.) including sukh dukha. .. etc..And Buddhi or Wisdom  prayatna  or Intentions towards actions,
Jnaan or knowlege.  Knowledge  is reposited with Aatma Mind composite. Not just mind. Mind is a Facilitator betwn cognition and reposition of knowledge with Jivaatma, the limited form of unlimited Aatma, which is with Samvaayi relationship with mind in human form manifestation. So considering these basic principles  related to Mind and Jivaatma,  Medhya dravyas are much more than just Panchbhautic. All 9 kaaran dravys need to b thought of for Medhya effect. Including Kaal or Time, Dik or Direction and Aaatma or Soul ..too. Not just 5 bhauti dravyas.
Dr. Vivek D. Shah: Only medhya rasayan wil not increase the IQ...it require mental n physical exercise otherwise its useless...my personal view..
Dr. R Prathiban: Cognitive tests along with qeeg or fMRI will make good assessment after medhya rasayana but ayu drs not tried it so far
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Yes. How to test Cognitive power
Esp. Related to 5 senses.Related to Aloukik prayaksh pramaan, we cant measure. Cognitive dissonance is the confounding variator in measuring.The perfect cognition or. Yatharth Jnaan. What has been reposited by Sanskarras in Aatma by Mind..over many lives
Is very difficult to grasp. Charak Sha. Is superb for understanding
This aspect of  Jnaan. Prayksha related to 5 senses can b measured by modern tools or insyruments but  akoukik pratyksha difficult to measure so Aagam is the only way. Aaptas who experienced and instructed via vachan.
Dr. R Prathiban: Universally accepted cognitive ability tests are there and widely used along with qEEG and fMRI. We have to use those accepted tests before and after medhya rasayana
Dr. Vivek D. Shah: Yes..exactly. In Charak sharir..it has been described very well...
Dr. Ravibhusan: Anuman praman for dyanedriya parikshan ...Ref charak indriya sthan ..
Dr. Ashok Shinde: For universally acceptance we have to these tests.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Yes indriya panchbhautik so can b easily measured by tools or inferences. objectively.for research.But Aloukik pratyksha how to measure it. Modern has different scales.IQ, EQ
SQ.. but not sufficient as SQ are most of which r religion related..  related to basic assuptions or belief system not exactly faultless from cognitive dissonance confounders SQ needs to b developed based on Ayurved siddhants with Abhyupgama as basis. As we cant objectify something that is wholly subjective as part of research methodoloogy
Experience of the individual is only mark. Like vacha for vaaksiddhi..we cn see  But  Knowkedge Realisation how can we measure but by self reporting by subjects. Not sufficiently error free for modern research methods.
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Dr. Siva Kumar: Kalyanaka ghrita is also found to show effect on manovaha srotas
Dr. Satish Panda: Swarna Bhasma consider as rasayan
1.nano particles
2.easy absorption through intestine.
3.enter blood stream.
4.maintain blood PH.
5.able to enter cell junction.
6.help in regeneration of different cells.
7.Indirectly help in brain function.
So,also used as madhya rasayan.
Dr. Ravibhusan S: Yes maha kalyanak, mahapanchagavya ...They all increases Satva guna. Look the  samprapti of unmada ..Tai Alpa stavasya ...so after shodhana we  use these type of ghrita ...For Manovaha srotas...
Dr. Satish Panda: I think all medha vriddhi medicine correct the raja,and tama guna.Indirectly correct the manovaha vikar.
Through administration of oral medicine increase in satwa guna is not possible.
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Dr. Vikas Sharma Punjab: Another way insted of direct oil you can use pitu of oil insert it nostril find equal effect just like nasya.Oil use in varti or pitu depend on age vyadhi .
Vd Ashish Kumar: Which condition use difrent medhya rasayan(किन दोषो की विकृति या किन लक्षणो में किन मेध्य रसायन का उपयोग करना चाहिये?)
Dr. Amrish A Shah:
Medhya drugs :-
Mandukaparni (Centella asiatica Linn.
Family – Umbelliferae)Manduki, Twastri, Divya, Mahausadhi.
Dosha karma – Kapha-Pitta shamak.Tikta,Laghu,Sita,Madhur
Yastimadhu (Glycyrrhiza glabra Linn., Family – Fabaceae)Yas-timadhuk, Klitaka.
Dosha karma – Vata- pitta shamak Madhur Guru, Snigdha Sita 
Guduchi (Tinospora cordifolia Willd. Miers, Family – Menispermaceae)Amrita, Madhuparni, Chinnamula, Cakra-lakshanika, Amrita-valli, Chinna, Chin-nodhbhava, Vatsadani, Jivanti, Tantrika, Soma, Somavalli, Kundali, Dheera, Vi-shalya, Rasayani, Candrahasa, Vayastha, Mandali, Deva-nirmita,
Dosha karma – Tri-dosha shamak Tikta,  Kasaya, Guru, Snigdha,Usna,Madhur
Shankhapushpi (Convolvulus pleuricaulis Chois. Family – Convolvula-ceae):Ksheerpushpi, Mangalyakusuma. Dosha karma – Vata- pitta shamakTiktaSnigdha, PicchilSitaMadhur.
Aindri (Bacopa monniera Linn.  Family Scrophulariaceae) TiktaLaghuUsnaKatu.
Jyothishmati (Celastrus panniculata Willd. Family – Celastraceae):Katabhi, Jyotishka, Kanguni, Paravatpadi,   
Pinya, Lata, Kakundani, Mal-kangani. Dosha karma – Vata-kapha sha-mak Katu, TiktaTikshnaUsnaKatu
Kushmanda (Benincasa hispida Thunb. Cogn. Family – Cucurbitaceae)Puspaphala, Pitapushpa, Brihatphala. Dosha karma – Pitta shamakMadhurLaghu, SnigdhaSitaMadhur
Vacha (Acorus calamus Linn., Family – Araceae)Vacha, Ugragandha, Sadhgrantha, Golomi, Satparvika, Khudra-patri, Mangalya, Jatila, Ugra and Lomasha, Dosha karma – Kapha-Vata shamak,Katu, Tikta,Laghu, Tikshna,Usna,Katu
Jatamamsi (Nardostachys jatamansi DC.,
Family – Valerianaceae)Bhutjata, Jatila, Tapas-vini and Mansi. 
Dosha karma – TriDosha shamak,Tikta, Kasaya Madhur,Laghu,
Snigdha,Sita ,Katu
Dr. Vishva Joshi: How to use 'hemvacha' in 5 yrs old child for difficulty in speech?
Dr. Vikas Sharma Punjab: Use as ghrit preparation like bhrami grit
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