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Next topic for discussion: Concept of 13
Agni....
USA Gary
Yuen: Is there a
place to refer to? I think it's mentioned in Caraka cikit 8.38?
Vd.
Dhruti Kagrana:
Types of 13 agni. 1.Jathragni 2-6. Panchbhutagni 7-13. Spata dhtwagni
When we
eating food it converts first by jathragni then it converts by bhutagni and
then the role of dhtwagni to nutrition of dhatu etc(Sara) & kitta(mala).
Dr.
Ravindra Upadhyay:
Agni or Digestive fire the prime agency to convert food into the form required
by the body for digestion and then absorbtion. Too much of digestive fire is
bad, same is true for extremely low. One needs Agni in equilibrium. The prime
factor governing AGNI IS Mind or MAN. IF THE PERSON IS HAPPY IT
REMAINS IN EQUILIBRIUM OTHERWISE IT GETS
IMBALANCED. THE EFFECT OF SEASON ALSO
PLAYS MAJOR ROLE IN MAINTAINING AGNI.
Vd.
Dhruti Kagrana:
According to modern medicine, metabolic processes, division and multiplication
are going on in all cells (dhatu paramanu) of our body from birth till death.
The cell is the functional unit of the body. According to Charak, the
constituent parts of the body, if further divided into the atoms, are sure to
become innumerable, as such cells or atoms are exceedingly numerous, very
minute and ultrasensory. In the conjunction and disjunction of cells, the
activating factors areVataand the nature of action (Cha. sha.7/17). In
Shushrut, we can see how the “Avayavaas” are formed from
“variousdhatus”(Su.Sha.4/25-30). Thus, based on Charak and Shushrut, the above
cells can be considered as “dhatu paramanus.” For these constant processes in
all cells, a biological energy is constantly essential, without which the
survival of our body will be quite impossible. The same biological energy is
provided byAgniin Ayurveda. ThisAgni-provided biological energy in the cells
(dhatu paramanu) of our body is of two types: potential and kinetic.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3221079/
Dr.
Ravindra Upadhyay:
Same is applicable to drinking of water. People drinking a lot of water even
when not thirsty, also have weak Digestive fire or Agni.
USA Gary
Yuen: Caraka cikitsa
15 discusses symptoms of weak agni. Is there a place with more detail? Astang
hrdyam?
Dr.
Pramod Nakarde:
Vd.
Pankaj Chhayani: can we consider BMR ( Basal Metabolic
Rate) as indicator for *Dehagni Karma*
in any line ? i want to listen the
merits and opps from गुरुजन and all the members . Is there any work done in this
regard please post the reference and material ? Its an interesing idea. Here by Dehagni u means all the
companant agni qhich is present in all cells?? Kayagni - specifically Dhatvagni . BMR is the marker of the sum total
of the reacrion of al the tissues and all reactions in one way or the other
involve transfer of energy. And it is the function of the dehagni. So it can be
a possiblity. E.g. we say there is increased functions of dehagni or dhatvagni
in hyperthyroidism and we know there is an increase of BMR in hyoerthyroidism..
The word देहाग्नि is used by अग्निवेश for जाठराग्नि..च चि 15 While basal metabolic rate is complex summation of समान वायु, धात्वाग्निस्वेन तेनोष्मण चैव कृत्वा देहोष्मणो बलम्||१३०|| च चि 1
1स्वेनेति दोषोष्मणा; 2तेनेति जाठराग्न्यूष्मणा | 3देहोष्मण इति सकलदेहचारिणः प्राकृतोष्मणः| चक्रपाणि
There are 3
ooshma/agni in body ... These are different from bhootaagni & dhaatvagni
As we say
jatharagni and dhatwagni have been named differently because of the functional
and locational differences.
क्या ये दोषोष्मणा, जाठरग्नि उष्मा, एवम देहोष्मा का वर्गीकरण भी इसी प्रकार किया गया है या इस
तरह के वर्गीकरण का कोइ अन्य हेतु व विचार है?
Its Cha chi
3/130... देहोष्मण इति सकलदेहचारिणः प्राकृतोष्मणः..
वातश्लेष्मणोस्तु यद्यपि पितूतवदुष्मा नास्ति तथापि तयोर्भूतत्वेन उष्मा योस्ति, स इह ग्राह्यः.. वक्तव्यं
हि ग्रहण्यध्याये.. भौमाप्याग्नेयवायव्याः पंचोष्माणः सनाभसाः ईति. It all comes under 13 agnis. देहोष्मा is because of pitta. Ushma may mean the innate heat factor . Agni
or dehagni though has heat factor , but it may not be always evident/manifested
all the time so there could be some difference functionally. In many context
authors use specific ushma or agni in context. The ushma is expression of agni
thus that many ushma exists for so many agni... innumerable .One extra term is
dehoshma which is prakriti bhuta. Doshagni, bhutagni, dhatwagni, jatharagni, dehagni i.e. kayagni amsha. A total of 13 and
dehagni becomes 14. With addition of doshagni they become 17. But the
cumulation of jatharagni doshagni and kayagniamsha is dehagni. It is pronounced
as jatharagni but when ever specifically to say the impairment told with
relative term.
अग्नि ➡ क्रियारूप जरण शक्तियुक्त, देहोष्मणा➡ परिणाम रुप
इति भौतिकधात्वन्नपकतृणां कर्म भाषितम् ।च.चि.15/38
( यान्यग्नितराणि
उपधातुमलादिगतानि तान्यप्यावरुद्धानि भुताग्निष्वेव किंवा अप्राधान्यात अन्यान्य किंचित्कराणि
नोक्तानि।) regarding Agni from other group,
Dr. Uday
H. Hanagal:
Kostaha
kruro mrudarmadhyo madhyaha syataihi samairapi,
Tairbhavai
dvishamo teekshno mandaschagnihi samai samaha.( A.H. Sutrasthana 1st chapter. )
3types of
kosta, krura-Vata dominant, Mrudu-Pitta dominant, Madhya-Kapha dominant.
4types of agni, Vishamagni-Vata dominant,
Teeksha-Pitta dominant, Manda-Kapha dominant, Samaagni- equbilirium of dosha.
Canada
Nitin Shah: Agni is
a biological igniting force which governs metabolism. The English term ignite
comes from the Sanskrit word Agni.
Slovenia
Anoop S. Anand: When
agni is less in quality (Mandagni) it will cause many diseases (“Rogaha Sarvepi
Mande Agnou”)
Dr. Uday
H. Hanagal: Depends
on jeernashakti(apatite) we see agnibala, because kosta is the function sthana
of pachakapitta, samanavayu, ranjaka pitta, kledaka kapha. Apatite &
Digestion.
Slovenia
Anoop S. Anand: Agni
is innumerable because of its presence in each and every paramanu of the body.
But, the enumeration of the number of Agni Ayu. Medknow Publications, Physiological
aspects of Agni, Akash Kumar Agrawal, C. R. Yadav, and M. S. Meena
Additional
article information
Abstract
Agni is the
invariable agent in the process of Paka (digestion, transformation). Ingested
food is to be digested, absorbed and assimilated, which is unavoidable for the
maintenance of life, and is performed by the Agni. Different examples are
available in our classics to indicate that Pitta is the same as Agni, but some
doubt arises behind this concept, that Pitta is Agni. Agni is innumerable
because of its presence in each and every paramanu of the body. But, the
enumeration of the number of Agni varies in various classical Ayurvedic texts.
According to the functions and site of action, Agni has been divided into 13
types, i.e. one Jatharagni, five Bhutagni and seven Dhatvagni. Jatharagni is
the most important one, which digests four types of food and transforms it into
Rasa and Mala. The five Bhutagnis act on the respective bhutika portion of the
food and thereby nourish the Bhutas in the body. The seven Dhatvagni act on Ayu. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3221079/)
Vd.
Khyati Jariwala: I
think that - V can't co relate all five Pitt vid agni.. E.g...if v take
ghee....it vl do PITT SHAMAN and on the contrary AGNI PRADIPTI Pitt is
Drava,snigdha,adhogaami where as agni is ruksha n urdhvagaami. SO..agni n Pitt
r two different things??!!!!!
Australia
Vd. Neerja Ahuja:
Mandagni main cause of disease. Simple thing to take at home is ginger or
trikatu to enhance Agni.
Dr.
Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Pitta=Agni+Jal mahabhut. Agni is Pure Aagney (Shabda, sparsh, rupa
gunyukta)
Dr.
Pramod Nakarde:
Slovenia
Anoop S. Anand: As
per Panchamahabhuta siddhant and tridosha concept - Pitta is a combination of
Agni mahabhuta and Aap Mahabhuta...Ghrita is cooling and pitta shamak but if it
comes in contact with agni it helps in increasing agni...like if we burn say 50
gms of charcoal and pour 1 teaspoon of ghee...fire will increase...same way if
we pour 10 kilograms of ghee over 50gms of burning charcoal the fire will
extinguish..here sheeta guna of aap mahabhuta present in Ghrita will overpower
the ushna guna of teja mahabhuta in fire and extinguish it...So ghritas agni
deepan guna holds true only till the Ushna guna of Jatharagni is higher than
the overall sheeta guna of ghrita(depending on the total quantity consumed)..if
vice versa jatharagni will be extinguished
Dr. Rinku
Shah: We can say
just without spirit we become just body like that without kayagni we r becoming
just body not chaturvishanti purush. So death body is always cold. So
kaychikitsa is known as Agnichikitsa
Ayulink:
All of the above there is more
important of Jatharagni into Chikitsa & Digestive System. There is
problems of Jatharagni are Manda Agni & Tivra Agni. Tivra Agni should be
control by Pruthavi Mahabhuta Dravya
like Guru, Shita,etc. Mand Agni
should be control by Pruthavi
Mahabhuta Dravya like Lagu, Ushna,etc.
Vd.
Pankaj Chhayani:
There are Malagni too, Astang sangraha said.
Dr.
Pravin Tirmare: Where
? shlok
Dr.
Ramesh Deshmukh: 13
agni are commonly known and use in treatment thoughts. specific dravyas are
mentioned concerned with relative agni like rasa dhatuagni dravyas etc. never
came across mala agni. please share information
Vd.
Sachin Kadlag: In
viruddha aahar description , there is one type agni viruddha also. It can be
understood as follows. Let's understand first what is agni and it's types with
definition. Agni in short means digestive power. It is of
4 types .1. Sama agni 2. Manda agni
3. Tikshna agni 4. Vishama agni.
1. Sama agni
:- the digestive power which digests , only
appropriate food taken in appropriate dose in appropriate way is called
sama agni. agni is sama when all vata, pitta and kapha are balanced.
2. Manda
agni :- the digestive power which digests food very late (means digests very
slowly) whether it is appropriate or inappropriate. agni is manda when kapha dosha is dominant.
3. Tikshna
agni :- the digestive power which digests food very early (means digests very
fast) whether it is appropriate or inappropriate. agni is tikshna when pitta dosha is
dominant.
4. Vishama
agni :- the digestive power which digests appropriate food late and inappropriate
food early.
Agni is
vishama when vata dosha is dominant.
Now
accordingly following conditions can be listed under agni viruddha criteria.
1. When a
person has sama agni , then eating or
drinking inappropriate food or in appropriate quantity or in inappropriate
way or at inappropriate time is agni viruddha in this condition.
2. When a
person has manda agni , then eating or drinking food which is heavy to digest
or eating food in more quantity or eating food which enhances kapha is agni
viruddha in this condition.
3. When a
person has tikshna agni , then eating or drinking food which is very light to
digest or eating food in less quantity or eating food which increases pitta is
agni viruddha in this condition.
4. When a
person has vishama agni , then eating food
which increases vata is agni viruddha in this condition.
Dr. Uday
H. Hanagal: Samanyam
vriddhi karanam hrasa hetu viparyascha.
Samana guna cause for vriddhi & viparita guna cause for kshaya of
dosha. A.H. Sutrasthana 1st chapter.
Vd.
Pankaj Chhayani:
Agni is only one. Agni works at level of particular dhatu has given name of
that Dhatu. There are 5 Mahabhoota and 5 agni of these 5 mahabhootas.
All dhatus
are made up of 5 Mahabhoota, then how can differ Dhatvagnis from Bhutagnis? If
we accept Dhatvagni then there is also Malagni.. As Astanga Samgraha has stated
in Function of Purisha. Purisha's function is holding of Vayu and Agni...
Dr.
Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Agni is only One. as per function and sthan, names given. व्यवच्छेदक लक्षण क्रिया
के अधीन।
Dr. J. T.
Contractor:
Logically: Irshya Agni, Chinta Agni & krodha Agni must also be included as
it also affect the swasthya (health).
Dr. J. T.
Contractor: We say
Chinta chita samaan hai, Ghsse ki Aagme jalna, Irshya se jalte hai.... Etc this
it
Ayulink: Can we interpret Agni as
bio-chemical converters in the body?
Dr.
Ravindra Upadhyay:
Yes. But it gets disturbed with Stress.
Ayulink: At tissue level, at cellular level
and at system level. System or organ level too?
Dr.
Devesh Kumar: Irshya
chinta krodha is chitta vritti not again.
Ayulink: Does Agni mean anabolism, ketabolism
and metabolism or something more than these?
Vd.
Dhruti Kagrana: Co-
relate Agni with metabolism. Jathragni
& bhutagni for catabolism & dhtwagni for anabolism??
Dr. J. T.
Contractor: Agni is
urja shakti works as Udipak ( catalyst) for the transformation of food in to
energy,tha Agnis we talked above are also Udipak,if we talk about even the
logical Agnis say for example krodha Agni in which salivary glands stop secreting
saliva mouth becomes dry, given a glass of water as needed badly both the way
to cool down anger & to moisten drying mouth, in absence of saliva enzymes
don't secret to digest foods that shows the physically & biochemically
disorder generation so one can prove the chitta Agnis in toto can affect body.
Dr.
Ravindra Upadhyay:
Under stress Agni never works anywhere. If one investigates CRP LEVEL IS MORE.
SAMATA IS CAUSED
Dr. Uday
H. Hanagal: When
Person used to prepair & have the food along with kama, krodha, bhaya,
shoka, chinta, moha etc, it efects badly
to product the aama (main cause for disease), because suksma part of the food
gives nourishment to the mana, buddhi, aatma. This is the ref. of A.H.
Sutrasthaana.
Dr.
Ravindra Upadhyay:
Ayurved has already said- TAN MANA BHUNJIT.WHILE PREPARING FOOD ALSO ONE NEEDS
TO BE CHEERFUL. IT AFFECTS THE QUALITY OF FOOD, TASTE. We do see if the person
cooking is in not mood, I'll it does changes the taste of the cooked food
Vd. Mahavir Vora: Achintanam atichinta one of rasdhatu dusti factor in the same way
all type of immotnail felling might get hazard or benifeted.
Dr. J. T.
Contractor: I
observed usually ladies (pl forgive I humbly narrate with due respect), looking
detective & friction serials, suffered acidity at initially later turned in
to acidity & further turned into ulcers, isn't connected with logic
affected the biochemistry!
Dr.
Ravindra Upadhyay:
While having food no TV, NO CHIT CHAT ONLY CHEWING OF FOOD AND ENJOY THE FOOD.
NO MOBILE. NO WHATTSAP ETC
Dr Sandeep kakuste Nandurbar: And chewing 32 times is good sir
Dr.
Bhadresh Naik:
Jatheragni only play role of digestion of food. Dhatvagni play a role to
balance of dhatu and nourishing them strength them do normal function of them. So,
we have focus on both agni. That's why acharya clear mention about santarpan
and aptarpan. Kedrikulya nayay, Dhatu poshak dravya Of course presipacting
factor must be avoid. That why kayak, Mansik, Vachik karme must be done with
present of mind With awareness and positive fram of mind I think most of
disease may control. Prasan man indriya atma ang agni will help to remains
healthy by mentally and physically disorder. Similar to ras virya vipak of food
our attitudes, Manner,Speech, Manobhav, Tolerance, Chinta, Bhay, Shock, Irsiya,
Badle ki bhavna Play vital roll on agni.. How Depression, Anxiety, StressChange
the hormones, Imbalanced the hormones….Activated the vagus nerve its regulate
the hormones and juice to promote the agni- It's week the agni normal work- Leads
to agnimandya- According to ayurved agnimadya sarve rog mulam.
Vd.
Pankaj Chhayani:
Agni mainly work as bio transformation. If u close your both ear with help of
fingers and u listen sound like fire that denotes Agni is still working in your
body, and if sound is not listened then its Arishta Laxana.. Hormones , enzymes
or others chemical have power of bio transformation is called Agni..
There is 3
types of Agni in ancient text:- 1) Gnanaagni 2) Darshanaagni 3) Jatharaagni
Bhutagnis
work at minute level, while jatharagni works more gross level.
Dr.
Pramod Nakarde:
Yavantah purushe murtimanto bhavvishesha. Shareer me jitne bhavvishesha h UN
Dr. Vidhi
Joshi: Ref. post- Digestive Fire
Avoid eating
in between meals (no snacking; let your huger—and fire—build)Sip warm
fluids (avoid cold and carbonated drinks; drinking just hot water
throughout the day will stoke your digestive fire, improve digestion, and help
prevent the accumulation of ama)Sit down to eat, chew well, and avoid passive
entertainment while you eat (no TV, computer, cell phone, tablets or even
reading)Make lunch the most important (biggest) meal of the day (eat like
a king during the day, and a pauper at night); digestion is strongest at
midday; avoid heavy dinners (think brothy soups and light salads)Spice it
up! Add spices to your meals like fresh ginger, cumin, black pepper,
turmeric, and fenugreek. These contain properties that will enhance your
digestion and weight loss goals.Eat less, live longer. Watch your portions
(skip the second or third helping and push away from the table before you reach
maximum fullness).Eat foods filled with Prana (“life”); no processed,
packaged or even reheated/leftover foods. Avoid bad but popular combinations
that will weaken your fire: milk with meat, fish, eggs, bananas, yogurt, and
sour fruits; eggs with milk, meat, fish, yogurt, cheese, fruits or beans; fresh
fruits with any other foods (eat them alone but avoid eating fresh fruit as
dessert)Respect the 24-hour solar day: Time your meals to maximize your
body’s inherent preferences for turning on its digestive fire. The ideal
schedule: Breakfast between 7:00 and 8:00 a.m. Don’t eat a lot of food after
9:00 a.m. Lunch, (largest and most important meal of the day) between noon and
1:00 p.m.Dinner (which should consist of a light meal) before 7:00 p.m. Avoid
ever being wakeful between 10 pm and 2:00 am— Immune Function
Fast a few
times a year, or at least once a season(“detox on the equinox”): four different
fasting protocols—from least to most vigorous—entail the following:Consuming
light, easily digestible foods only, such as khichadi, soupy broths, and
warm herbal teas.Eating fruits, vegetables, or fresh juices only.Avoiding solid
foods and drinking water or herbal teas.Pursue your passions and live to the
fullest of your unique self: Strive to align your goals and values with
your talents and passions in a job that supports your livelihood, and allows
you to feel appreciated and needed in the world at large. And don’t forget to
make room for fun and laugher in whatever job you pursue. The act of laughter
itself will make you feel lighter and heighten your sense of awareness. A belly
full of laughs is a hot belly indeed.
USA Gary
Yuen: For amount of
food, Caraka Su 25/40 says eating once a day helps for perfect absorption. It’s
said also, a yogi eats once a day, a bhogi twice, and a rogi 3 times. With good
agni, do people believe eating once a day will provide needed nutrition and no
more is needed?
Dr.
Ujwala Said:
Vd.
sandeep Ahirkar:
Vd.
Dhruti Kagrana: Agni
(Fire) :- The secret and basis of our physical, mental, sensual and spiritual
health....
Germany
Helga Fuchs:
Jatheragni only play role of digestion of food. Dhatvagni play a role to
balance of dhatu and nourishing them strength them do normal function of them. So,
we have focus on both agni. That's why acharya clear mention about santarpan
and aptarpan. Kedrikulya ... YES, Dr. Badresh, this I think to. My experiences
show this ...
Dr.
Malathi Arjun: Agni
or the “digestive fire,” is one of the most important principles in the ancient
science of ayurveda. It refers broadly to our ability to process all aspects of
life, including food, experiences, memories, and sensory impressions. Agni is
responsible for absorbing the nutrients and essential elements the body needs
while burning off waste products (agni is the root of the English word
“ignite”). If our agni is strong, we’re able to digest food efficiently and
easily assimilate our daily experiences. On the other hand, if agni is weak,
our body won’t digest well, creating toxic residue or ama that lodges deep in
our cells. According to ayurvedic teaching, strong agni leads to excellent
health and well-being, while the accumulation of ama results in the slow
deterioration of the body and—ultimately—disease. The inability to metabolize
emotions produces just as much toxic residue as undigested food. In fact,
pent-up anger, long-held sadness, and lingering guilt are more debilitating for
most people than problems with physical digestion.
Vd.
sandeep Ahirkar:
What's about panchabhutagni
Dr.
Lokesh Raturi: Agni
is a flame like energy we can call it jeevan Jyoti which is divided intot 13
types as per it's location and work in body. Base Agni is digestive fire Jatharagni
from where base material for body is digested and absorbed. Then Dhatuagni
comes in action to transform digested material for each dhatu. Overall Bhutagni
keeps control for elemental balance like their should be enough space in body
that air can move freely. There should be always a spark to candle other Agni.
There should be enough temperature to maintain body fluids to flow freely like
high can evaporate and low can condense. There should be balance of solid
matter in body, imbalance can lead over weight, over growth fibrosis if Agni is
less and depletion, loss of muscle and tissue when it is more. All other Agni
take their part from Jatharagni like a boiler supplies steam to different
places. Langhan, shrotas shodan
amapachan and upvas helps to balance all Agni.
Dr.
Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Agni is that entity, which if Sam or well-balanced by aahar, vihar,
vichar, aachar along with Vihar Chikitsa, keeps Ageing at bay. Agni is
Ayurakshak. As humans age, Agni is the 1st one even before tridoshas, to get
imbalanced, which starts all etiology of diseases. Enzymes can be corelated
with Agni. Working like Catalyst but not part of reactions (catabolisn or
anabolism) or products of metabolism.
Agni like enzymes Create, build, maintain, or destoy all types of tissues in the body without being a part of
any of these processess. as per my understanding.
Dr.
Sachin Utpat: Agni
is the only thing on the earth which make everything pure that comes in its
contact. Agni has actually only two properties viz laghu and ruksha. From
ashtang sangraha difference between agni and pitta is that when it leaves
dravata it is been called as agni त्यक्त द्रवत्वं पाकादि कर्मणा अनल शब्दितम् The first ever verse on this earth
that is first rucha from rigveda starts with agni अग्निमिळे पुरोहितम्....
Vd.
sandeep Ahirkar: In
ashtang sangrah that's description comes for pachak pitta. Then can we consider
that pachak pitta as agni?? Agni means jatharagni I am talking about.
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