Understanding and PRACTICAL USES of Kshar and Lavana kalpanas....(i.e. Yava Kshar, apamarg Kshar, narikel lavan, Sarjika Kshar etc....)

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Understanding and PRACTICAL USES of Kshar and Lavana kalpanas....(i.e. Yava Kshar, apamarg Kshar, narikel lavan, Sarjika Kshar etc....)

Dr. Nayan Thacker: Apamarg shar oil is use for badhirya- good results..

Dr. Malathi Arjun: Narikel lavana has given excellent  results in gastritis - Care should be taken in hypertension. Narikel Lavana is good to pacify pitta

Dr. Shubhanda chaukhande: Apamarg shar oil for badhirya - pls explain in detail how to prepare it... how to use it n for hw many days??

Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: Apply sarjikakshar in shittapitta..

Dr. Nayan Thacker: 3 to 5 drops each ear before abhayanga- nadi swedana was done..

Dr. Yogin Patel: I am using apamarg kshar in abscesses, fistula & wound where lots of sludge.  Like dusting powder

Dr. Shriniwas Gujjarwar: क्षार तैल is very effective in पुतीकर्ण and दुष्ट व्रण to make शुध्द अवस्था.

Dr. Yogin Patel: Yes in dusta vrana

Ayulink: How to apply? Pl elaborate this method too.

Dr Sandeep Madaan: Narikel kshar is being used by me for last 12 years for vidagdhajeerna. Very effective formula. Just take after meals with water twice a day

Dr. Shruti D. Vinchhi: Pl. mentioned dose of it.

Dr Sandeep Madaan: Dr Shruti 500 mg is enough. Those who tolerate can take 1 gm bid. Read it narikel Lavan not kshar.

Dr. Yogin Patel: How to apply? Pl elaborate this method too. -- 

In such cases , where sludge are more , direct dusting of powder form of kshar. & in children & women or weak people also-apply-  mix with jatyadi oil/ malam. Results are superb

USA Gary Yuen: Is yava kshar preferred over eating yava for any reason? If one eats the food as main grain, any reason to use kshar?

Dr. Mrugeshkumar Patel: Arka kshar is useful in asthma 250 mg bd..

Dr Jaydeep: Kantakari lavan kshar- is useful as mucolytic and expectorant .

Dr. Arvind Shahane: Yavkshar with glucose water . Good result in abdominal pain-Symptomatic relief.

USA Gary Yuen: Yes, yava Will do the same thing. With right diet no such problems. Caraka recommends regularly eating yava in Su 5. Yava Kshar is possibly a fix for those that dont want to change lifestyle and treat cause.

Dr. Lalit Kansal: Apamarg kshar is used in fissure in ano .

Dr. Bhavesh Modh: क्षारतैलम् इदं श्रेष्ठं मुखदंतम् आमया अपाहम्

Dr. Lalit Kansal: After diluting kshar in ns it is used in Ist degree piles .

Dr. Arvind Shahane: Is it orally or locally application, Sir?

Dr. Bhavesh Modh: वातात् पीनसे नवप्रतिशयाये   कासवैस्वर्येयुते सक्षारं  घृतम्  पिबेत् । च.चि.26

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Apamarg kshar with kshar sutra.I have used in Skin tags or त्वगार्श with a pedunculated stalk. Excellent results with no scar or pigmentation. No local anaesthesia.

Ayulink: Can we introduce any of our kshar kalpana as IV, after dilution?

Vd. Pulkit D. Patel: kasisadi tail and kshar tail mix dropd on cotton and apply on arsh having good result.on suska arsh.

Dr. Jaya Sambhus: Apamarg kshar diluted inj for wart removal http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4296436/

Ayulink: That's interesting. Similarly can we give diluted Kshar injection in veins? So that blood pH can be reduced to alkaline and many complications can be treated? It's a hypothetical question. Similarly can Aama be controlled by alkali?

Vd. Uday Patil: Use of Kshar - Vidangadi / Varangak kshar is a important medicine in Panchabhautik Chiktsa Paddhati.

Vd. Pritam Bharat Veer: Yavkshar in mutrashmari- bhedana

Shri Minoo parabia: This particular aspect of Bio-inorganic chemistry has attracted me a lot. It needs more research. Modern tools like XRF and Atomic absorption spectrophotometer can give better insight. Uses are well documented but this types of novel thinking of injecting or Homoeopathic dose administration and proving can be studied seriously.

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Soda Bicarbonate (swarjika ksar) injections r given in metabolic acidosis in case of emergency. so ksar r used in allopathy  for acidosis appropriately.

USA Gary Yuen: My question is what makes kshar different from normally consuming the food or herb? Seems to concentrate the effects so if one does not want to just eat the food or herb normally, one can take kshar since it is more powerful and fast acting. But is there another reason?

Shri Minoo parabia: Kshar are the oxides of inorganic elements. Whole herbs have organic moieties too. So when organic part like alkaloid or glucoside are necessary one had to take whole herb. Kshar are from the ashes of the herb.

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: swargika kshar Ashtang Sangrah 12/ 37, 38

param tikshna, ushna, krumijit,laghu, pitta- asruk dustiksr,  pakkar, chedkar, hrudya, vidaran. 

katu lavan rasapradhan ,therefore, apthyakar for shukra ouj,kesh chaksu .

Shri Minoo parabia: Foregoing discussions had a mention of injections of kshar. This is the novel idea.

In Homoeopathy dose is extremely conservative though the results are remarkable. I wondered, whether it is possible to amalgamate two systems. Drug of Ayurveda origin and administration of drug according to Homeopathy. Kshar obtained from the ash of herb contains only inorganic acid soluble, potassium rich substance. 

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: In this context I would like to narrate one experiment which I have done with Hospital and patients permission.. It was a case of lung cancer. The condition was very terminal.  I  prepared injections from wheat grass , tulsi by distillation process of 5 % concentration. it was well filtered through 0.02 micron and injected with help of doctor directly in lung near traces.  Precaution was taken by keeping ready life saving inj. There was a cardiac reaction but was managed successfully. The pt  gave excellant response and survived for 4 months. Ten injections were given @ one inj  a day. Of course no such further permission was granted by Hospital.

Shri Minoo parabia: Great. I think such line of research must go further.

Dr. Ramesh Deshmukh: Long back in 1985 in Maharashtra Ayurvedic Injections were available in government hospital but they were of water extracts not khar. I remember Punarnava Injections were in Podar hospital. Route of introducing drug in human body is related to Drug & Cosmetic Act so its always a problem. But solutions can be found out.  

Ayulink: Can we give such injection as IV or IM?  Can it be useful in Aama condition or allergies?

Dr. Chirag Dobariya: Kshar external application is best for bhedankarma in vranshotha condition (Sushruta).

Shri Minoo parabia: Quality of injectables has precise QC/QA criteria laid down in pharmacopoeia. That must be followed. Pre requisite is research and evidence based proving. Reverse pharmacology is the best way to deal with the situation.

Ayulink: If kshara is good for improving alkalinity in body and controls acidosis, can it be good for pitta and aama conditions? This is my basic question. Can we co-relate these concept?

We believe that 80% diseases are having aama association. and we do have several aama controlling medicines and approaches. but I am looking for something faster and cheaper aspect. Can kshar and lavana kalpanas help us?

Ayulink: I was reading PDF file Acid_base_tut, shared by Dr. Madhuriji. 

In that file, On page 6-7 (point No.11) and page - 10 (summing up)....gave me some thought to use kshar for acid -base balance. 

Majority of symptoms described in that point 11, are more or less showing presence of aama, that's funny and interesting.

I would like to read / discuss more about metabolic and Respiratory acidosis...I think we can make an hypothesis on it…narikel lavan and kantakari lavan - we have used lavan in both condition....

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Navsar, ammonium chloride. our family Vaidhya, used to give in Jaundice (ruddhapath kamala, hep A) with Dahi on empty stomach. nothing by mouth whole day. 5gm navsar(shodhit)+1 cup dahi. Always worked to reduce adhman, aanah, regularized flow of bile/niram pitta, In narikel lavan, instead of saindhav lavan, navsar used . Jalodar tt. 

some ayurved references  for acid base balancing.

I  think, free radicals are more related with aamaj conditions than acid-base imbalance (it may precipitate generation in excess damaging kind of free radicals) otherwise free radicals are naturally occurring byproducts of metabolism. Problems start (Saamata) when excessive free radicals don’t get neutralized by antioxidants.

Vd. Tanuja Gokhale: Not all ksharas act against Pitta, some like apamarg kshara, arka kshar aggrevate Pitta so the choice of Kshara against Pitta should be used carefully.

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Any Kshar tatvva if by distillation process prepared, blended with any other distilled kshar in any formulae may be more precise for injectable applications else only soluble kshar would be dangerous for injectable solutions, extensive study & premised research needed, to stand against modern medicine..Precise

USA Gary Yuen: Digestion also consumes antioxidants and it is important to eat food that had more than what is needed to digest. I'm still not sure how kshar changed the properties of an herb. For cooking, spices are often tempered in oil or even dry roasted. I've seen sometimes too grains or dal is fried or roasted. That may have similar effects to kshar. I think Chinese medicine says it intensifies the properties and makes the ingredients more warming. Same with other cooking methods like baking.

USA Gary Yuen: Is it that kshar concentrates the inorganic ash already present in food and herbs? Does the preparation process change qualities in any way?

Dr. J. T. Contractor: Kshar acts as a catalyst which ignites the digestive process without being digested comes out, we observed the color of the stool of the child to fore say the ailment as the chilled doesn't speak

Dr Jayesh Patel: We are using tarike lavan & ark Lavan with bhaskar Lavan in Udarsul

Shri Minoo parabia: Perhaps the concept is still ambiguous somewhere. 

Any plant's constitution shall have organic and inorganic substances. Organic has property to burn and get converted in to water and CO2. So when organic matter undergoes combustion you don't get any residue. Where as inorganic substances on burning under go the process of oxidation and get converted into oxides - layman's word ash. Kshar is the water soluble fraction of the ash.

Vd. Hardik bhatt, Idar: Normally,we can see that a pt. with weakness  and other diseases a general physician give him normal saline water bottle and pt feels good . Can we correlate with that normal saline contains lavan . And it controls aam condition .Village people usually gets benefits with normal saline water .We can try with apamarg kshar bottle. For ashmari and other problems.

Dr. Ramiz Gadhiya: Do You ever try it???

Vd. Hardik bhatt, Idar: I have no tried but  Now I will try ..

Shri Minoo parabia: Please be careful Hardikbhai. Unless you have a full knowledge of pH mechanism and the osmotic gradients of the salt you use, it may prove fatal. 

Moreover the liquid must be totally sterile or the patient may end up with some other problems. Idea is good but the implementation require in depth research.

Ayulink: Yes. I am also very much interesting to work in this direction. I would ask a modern doctor to be with me for safer side. My idea is to go with alkaline injection for changing blood pH. But I need to read / think and plan for that.

Shri Minoo parabia: I would suggest a collaboration with a pharmacist. Dr. Mamta at LM College, Dr. KM Patel can join hands.Then as a next step a phycian can join for phase three clinical trial

Dr. Nitish Dubey: People of village got placebo effect by infusion. So consider it.

Shri Minoo parabia: This also reminds me- Distillate would have only vaporable condensates. It can never carry any salt with vapour.  So distilled water must be added with salts followed by autoclaving to make it germ free- pH has to be maintained.

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: I V H2O causes instant  Santrpan , its not placebo, if we think Ayurved physiology…There is a difference between lavan and ksar. 

1. lavan(salts 5 main)  is bruhaniya or santarpaniya,

 kshar( Organic or vanspatij like yavkshar, mineral or inorganic like Tankan, sodium borate or swargicakshar, soda bicarb),  is ksarshniya or lekhaniya or aptarpaniy.

2. lavan is lavan ras pradhan

kshar is Katu and lavan ras pradhan

3. lavan cause Sanghtan of dhatu, dhatuvruddhikar, dhatustheryakar.

kshar are ksharniya i.e. vighatan or dhatukshaykar or dhatuvyapdkar.

Vd. Tanuja Gokhale: Lavan n kshar are both raktadushtikar except Sandhav lavan.

Saindhav too if used in excess may cause adverse effect on Rakta dhatu.

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: शस्रानुशस्त्रेभ्य: क्षार: प्रधानतम:। Sushrut - where surgical instruments cant reach, there kshar reach, eg. karnarsh, nasarsh,. kshar do their karm of chedan, bhedan, lekhan like a surgical tool . I hvnt tried, but read, in Acidosis and Toxaemia induced vomiting, Paaniya kshar is used by mouth or as Enema. also in diabetic coma, swargika kshar  properly diluted  - acidosis or amlotkarsh shaman.

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: However in cases of chronic and pronged diseases water absorption at cellular level is also affected along with starvation. IV support of even simple H2O also helps to improve condition. A critical pt survived for four months by inj. Prepared by me from concentrated wheat grass juice and tulsi juice directly near traces. The reason was supply system was affected which restored by regional inj. Administration. Similarly IV inj so prepared and administered through IV can also be helpful to critical pts due to eliminating natural process and instant effective channels.

Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: IV of Plant origin kshar is needed for better outcome in emergency or certain diseases like Gulm, Arsh, Fistula, Pleehavruddhi, mutrukruccha, kidney stones. These are listed diseases where kshar works better than surgery.

Dr. P. A. Deshpande: I also remember a case of Cobra bite in remote rural place. The pt was given through IM well filtered juice of banana stem by one doctor as an emergency treatment and saved the case. It contains Atropine in natural form which worked as anti dote for poison.

Main objection by FDA is learnt to be as in Ayurveda injection applications are not  quoted.

USA Dr. Priya Kalahasti: Sodium bicarbonate has been tried many times with many studies. There's been different outcomes based on the underlying cause of metabolic acidosis. In sepsis, its been tried but is not standard of care. Rx The underlying cause…In early renal failure- bicarbonate po is part of rx primarily to help treat bone disease

In an acute ICU setting, there’s an element of respiratory alkalosis due to which met acid is compensatory, hence u obviously don't want to treat it.

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Compilation courtesy: Vd. Dhruti Kagrana