Wednesday, September 28, 2016

Psycho Neuro Immunology.....Ayurveda vision....

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Next topic for discussion: Psycho Neuro Immunology.....Ayurveda vision (Relation between immune system/endocrine system and central nervous system)
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt: I always observe in my patients that in Stressful condition they increased skin problems ,common cold and especially Coughing. IBS is mainly related with Stress.
Dr Kusum Pawse: Also stress diabetes cholesterol obesity.
Dr. Supratim Bir: Gut brain has a close relation with allergic manifestation. N by controlling vatanuloman it can be managed grossly. It's an observation
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt: Thyroid is,Diabetes,Heart problems and Cancer have relation with this.
Colombia Dr Mario Herrera, Neiva, Huila: Gut brain axis is in control of autoimmune mediated diseases, psychiatric diseases as depresion an OCD, insomnia, anxiety and obesity
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt: Sometimes we add Brahmi ,shankhpushpi with treatment it gives very good result. Meditation,Pranayam,Omkar Sirodhara and Nadya therapy have good results
Exi Kir Moo: Is there any similarity between Gut Brain and PNI? (Being non-medico, I need to know this, please).
Colombia Dr Mario Herrera, Neiva, Huila: Gut brain axis is one of the systems involve in PNI. Other then is HPA: hypothslamic pituitary  adrenal axis And the sympathetic nervous system
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: In Ayurveda Bala(बल) can be consider as immunity.The kapha in its natural state(प्राकृतावस्था) promotes strength in form of ojas(बल)..When in morbid state(विकृत अवस्था), it causes diseases and death.
Bala=ojas=prakruta shleshma=immunity...
Immunity is of two types:-
1) innate immunity(येनौजसा वतँयन्ति प्रीणीता: सवँदेहिन:!
यदृते सवँभूतानां जीवितं नावतिष्ठते।।यत् सारमादौ गभँस्य यतद्गभँरसाद्रस:!)
Its the ojus which keeps all the living beings refreshed. There can be no life without ojus. Ojas marks the beginning of the formation of embryo. Its the nourishing fluid of from the embryo. It enters the heart right at the stage of the latter's initial formation. Loss of ojus means loss of life..
This ojus is 8 drops in amount, and this play important role in innate immunity along with other functions. In Ayurveda its called PARA Ojus..
2) Acquired immunity:-
रसादीनां शुक्रान्तानां यत्परं तेजस्तत्।
खलु ओजस: तदेव बलम् इति उच्यते।
This ojus is formed from seven Dhatus, quality of seven dhatus depend on Diet, season, place, exercise etc...This ojus is known as slaismika ojus the quantity of which is 1/2 anjali. This ojus is called Apara ojus and it circulates through out body...
CNS and endocrine have close relation. Actually endocrine works under influence of Autonomic nervous system.
Udana vayu plays important role in autonomic nervous system..
Prayatna(प्रयत्न) is one function of Udana vayu...
There are two types of prayatna in darshana shastras.
1) इच्छा द्वेष पुवँक प्रयत्न(Voluntary actions).
2) जीवन योनि प्रयत्न(involuntary actions).

We can take involuntary action under autonomic nervous system. So Udana works as Autonomic nervous system, so why susruta has told Udana Pavanottama(superior among all vata).
Other function of Udana is bala, it means Udana plays role as Immunity as well as Autonomic nervous system(CNS)...
Vd. Ajayraj V. Bal: Vata is responsible for the balanced function of CNS. Vayustantra tantra dhara  And Gut is to be considered as vatsthana.
Dr. Ramiz Gadhiya: Wht's about Prana vayu & tarpak kapha.? its also maintance the CNS..
Dr. Tukaram Shinde: Prakrut prana vayu &kapha maintance CNS .
USA Gary Yuen: Can we associate some types of fire with the endocrine system? Colored fire, ranjaka in the kidneys liver and blood? And a deficiency in blood or disorder of kidney and liver with immunity?
Dr Jayesh Patel: In ayurveda may be immune system related with Rasayan & Ojas ? CNS is related with vat...
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana:  PNI :-
Psycho refers - Thinking, Emotion and mood states
Neuro  refers - Neurological & Endocrine system
Immunology refer - Cellular structure
Stress response =  Fight or Flight response -> Temporarily short term decrease in immune function...
Today's era -> Repeatedly stress ->
The nervous system is in a constant state of excitation and stress response is experienced over and over again, causing the built - in feedback loops that should shutdown the system off to fail, resulting in weakened immune function....
Vd.  Mahavir Vora: We can take pni as manovaha strotas also
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt: I think that Angriness ,Chinta,Bhay,Shok those all increase Vat dish and it's effect on Endocrine system and cause Auto immune diseases,Nervous system diseases and Endocrine diseases .
So take history for lifestyle and Stressful conditions
Satyen: Kaliyug is vata promoting yug.  As in this yug chinta, bhay and shok are dominant.  Due to such mental status endocrine disease is bound to rise. So we see rise in it.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Also Tamas, fear and flight response .. taxing immune as well as endocrine systems.
Mr. Ram Vala: As published in Nature journal
Wim hof of dutch derdevil who is guiness book holder for his ability to withstand cold uses breathing technique to boost immune.
Later on research has been done on volunteers trained by hof on immunity and nervous syatem. They find that there is explicit link between the nervous system and immune response
Dr Ashi Vaidhya: Bhaya,shok  ,chinta TAMSIKAahar, Tamsik vichaar  -causes increases vata-causing palpitations  and restlessness-it will lead to imbalance in endocrine system such as adrenal gland etc -causes nervous system or endocrine d's
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: Dharaniya veg, part of Vihar Chikitsa,
 For Helthy mind and consequently healthy Manovah, and immonu-endocrino-psychological system.
Alwayz Dharniya, means consciously resisting the thoughts and actions.
Mansik veg -  Lobh, shok, bhay, krodh, ahankar, nirlajjata, irsha, atirag, abhidhya (coveting that which is not one's own) -
Vachik veg- kathor- ruksh vachan, lying, akaalyukta vachan or  untimely talk, ninda
Ashast sharirik dharniya veg-  parpida, parstri, stealing, violence.
Vd. Devang patel: Is anyone have paper or other reference regarding Adharniya Vega and Nerveous system???
Dr. Rachana Mumbai: All type of psycosomatic disease and auto immune dieases included under this topic
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: indeed Vast. in short  it can b summerised. some vayu movements are natural immune responses which we should never cousciously interfere. they r Adharniya veg and some like Dharaniya veg  , these vayu movements vitiates Chitta, so alwayz to hold off counsciously.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Psyco neuro immunity caused due to mental fatigue, sadism, torturing, sudden mantle shock, these corrupts the hormone glands unbalancing the hormone levels creates irregularities in body simply surfaces the PNI.
USA Irene CCA: Few things are more important for a healthy life, keep our emotions balanced against the ups and downs of life.
Emotional regulation is the ability to experience a feeling, know that this feeling  hides a need and able to satisfy this need
Dr. Anjana Prakash: All d neurological activities r mainly controlled by vata dosha.Kapha in normalcy is considered as ojas n it provides immunity.For any reactions to occur causing paka pitta is needed.So the proper functioning of all these systems indicate nothing but d balanced state of tridoshas
Dr. Samir Suneri: In ayurveda we can see this pni in psoriasis. Where this is a autoimmune disease and we did treatment like shirodhara of takra as well as virechan . By shirodhara we relaxes the mind and by virechan we did work over the autoimmune system
Compilation courtesy : Vd. Dhruti Kagrana…

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