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Next topic for discussion: Management of Hormonal Obesity or hereditary Obesity…#Ayurvedic
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How to treat obesity which is hormonal? I have read
some research studies in which yoga can help but wish to know from more
experts.
Ayulink:
Hormonal Obesity is very difficult to treat. In my opinion Obesity itself is a
major life style disorder. If you correct your aahar (food), vihara(activities)
and put your body in order again. it can be corrected.
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21603: What about
stress related obesity
Mr. Ram Vala:
Experiment on agouti gene and obese as a
result. Stress initiate nf -kb and it produce cytokine and it triggers
inflammation and change gene expression. Some research result on gene
expression and transcription factor. Agree. Food plays very vital role.
21603: So is there any
treatment.e.g. Udwarthana playing any role. Because after udwartana patients
again tends to gain more weight. How we can prevent that?
Mr. Ram Vala:
For stress related, deep breathing and chanting on daily basis can reduce
stress and certain asana can reduce obesity. As mentioned meditation and yoga
alter gene expression so it shall treat from core.
52809: How
about establishing the root cause of every disease and then evaluating which
concept can clear the root cause
Ayulink:
Basically, a doctor needs to make a list of provisional diagnosis and then
starts tracking one by one.....some with the help of his / her own knowledge
and intellect, some with the help of investigations...a doctor must use his/
her skill of darshana, sparshana and prashna to establish the root cause of any
disease. Like a doctor wants to establish root cause for obesity: he/ she wants
to rule out factors like;
Thyroid - should ask patient for thyroid test
Diabetes - Check with lab
Overien disorder - can ask for sonography
Menstrual disorder or PCOD etc - can ask for gynec
opinon and sonogram, lab report from LH, FSH etc
Liver disorder: can ask for Liver Function test
If he / she thinks none of them, can ask direct
questions abt diet, abt life style, eating patterns....and other physiological
aspects.....also must ask about hereditary.
Also doctor needs to ask abt present any medication
going on - many a times medicines can have side effects like obesity.
Practically there are number of such points to
focus, before you start prescribing any medicine.
52809: How about
congestion created by toxins accumulated due to failure of toxin reffral
mechanism of body, causing obesity. Knowing what is toxin reffral mechanism of
body. Knowing toxin theory of disease. We can guide patient how to stop loading
more toxins. We can also activate bodies own scavenger cells by powerful
natural Immuno therapy which will clear the debris (sanshodhan). Adjuvantly
sanshaman chikitsa as per the symptoms of the obesity patients can definitely cure and revert obesity
Dr. Rammesh Natu:
Read all the posts.... Most the aspects are covered. Only small suggestion...
Passing remark on Hereditary...Genetic factor needs due consideration.And
bariatric surgery is not the answer for treating obesity.
Brazil Anália Meirelles:
But sometimes hormonal obesity can be because of bad habits for a long period
or can be because of a disease.
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt:
Obesity is wide subject. It can be hereditary also. Patient History is very
important . Now a days Lifestyle,good habits like Adhyasan,Vishmasan and Junk
food,cold drinks,stress. People don't do more exercise,Ladies don't have havy
household work. Child obesity is also a burning problem due to their food
habits,they are eating food in front of
television, laziness are causative factors. Mobiles are also hazards for this
disease.
52809: Simple
approach to treat obesity
- correct mithya aahar vihaar by telling what to eat
what not to eat. For above information enzyme theory of metabolism and green
theory of food must be known.
- Regular deep detoxification by Immunotherapy. For
that toxin theory of disease must be known. Regular yoga along with dance and
gym. This way obesity of any level can be defeated.
Vd. Dhruti Nirav Bhatt: Diet
according to Ayurved, Yog and exercise is must
PANCHKARMA
has also important role in Obesity.
52809: Can we do
Panchkarma regularly?
Mr. Ram Vala:
Any research support on this?
52809: Want to know
role of Panchkarma on modern era genocidal toxins including radiations from
mobiles and wi fi. Which were not there when our ancestors designed Panchkarma.
29263: But in obesity
most of the patients will be suffering from the low digestion power .If we
somehow increase the digestion power and if they maintain patya then the obese
person will reduce their fat
Ayulink:
No data available ....
52809: Any
experience of anyone
Mr. Ram Vala:
It could be done with saman vayu balance. Few yoga asana like uttanpadasan, utkatasana,
naukaasana, paschimotanasana, ardh matsyendraasna, etc
29263: Normally obese
person can't do any Asana
52809: We can't allow
these genocidal toxins to continue to do damage. Maybe that is the reason
attack of these toxins is bigger than the defense and patients continue to
suffer. We should enable them.
Mr. Ram Vala: Ya
true. Can be start with ardh padmasan. Then gradually increase asanas
29263: Try .They will
be having joint pain also. Patients will not do .And can't do also After
reducing some amount of fat only. Starting from the easy asanas they can able
to do
52809: Segmented
approach will do that Holistic approach will enable them
Mr. Ram Vala:
Need to find a door to do it. Identification of flexible muscle from obese
person. Apply appropriate asana for that. Once he/she gets more flexibility
then gradually increases asana practice. It takes time but result shall be good
52809: Do we guide
what is good fat and what is bad fat? We are following bad practice based on
corporate media hampering.
29263: Ok do .But I
don't think so they will do
Ayulink:
I usually prefer to go with Udvartana, svedana and lekhan basti course as
suggested by Charaka for any kind of Obesity and it works. I prescribe any
internal medicines very rare.
Mr. Ram Vala:
Saturated fats found in animal products , trans fatty acid are bad. Trans fat
is very harmful
52809: We need to
rethink on this. Why fatty liver is an epidemic.
21603: The patient
will loose weight during the course...but after thaw treatment patients
complaining about regaining weight. So what shall we do to prevent that?
Dr. Manubhai vaidhya:
I will give advice for pregnancy
Ayulink:
Can't understand - pregnancy for loose weight
52809: As the toxin
loading and attack is a regular process. Can we do Panchkarma regularly?
Ayulink:
yes, I think we can suggest PK at regular interval. All 5 karmas are not
needed. Virechan and Basties will do.
Vd. Prakash Trivedi:
Walking, running and cycling r the exercise for obese pts.
Ayulink:5
minute standing against the wall X 2 times a day also works very good....NO
MOVEMENT - JUST STANDING - (back of heel, hips, shoulder and both palms, head -
all should touch the wall.)
52809: What about the
toxins embedded intracellular regions like glyco molecules
Ayulink:No
data available...That's pity
52809: Nothing to be
pity about. We can take the help from modern science. We have inbuilt abilities
as follow
Three components of immunity
- Bio intelligence (Dendritic cells etc) identify
toxins and abnormalities.
- Phagocytosis (Macrophage etc) engulf the
abnormalities and toxins.
- Chemotaxis (Natural Killer cells etc) break down
and clear the debris out of the body.
Modern approach to deep detoxification by immune
system itself. When all the above three components work synergistically at all
the three levels
- tissue level
- Blood level
- Bone marrow level
No disease can stay in the body. By activating this
phenomenon each and every organ can be made functional before it is damaged
beyond regeneration. Keeping this phenomenon active and nutritionally supported
prevention from every disease can be achieved.
Vd.Rahul Doke:
How can the 3 component of Immunity be activated ?
Dr. Rammesh Natu:
If no data is available then we will have to record the data.Obese data source
can be clinics irrespective of pathy.Healthy data can be from Gyms. I am not
discussing here which parameters to be included in data collection. Finally two
parameters are important, one is weight of an individual and another is Health
status.
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