Anti- viral, Anti- bacterial herbs / Bhut vidhya – formula According to Ayurveda

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Ayulink Ayurveda: In the presence scenario of Corona virus, we have no specific - proven herb for Corona. But we do have proven anti-viral, anti-bacterial or anti-septic herbs, formulas describe in the text book of Ayurveda.

Please share your practical knowledge about such herbs - formula or product with the name of virus, bacteria or specific condition to manage with that herb / formula.

Shri Minoo parabia: Tinospora cordifolia,

Turmeric,

Ginger,

Black pepper,

Red pepper,

Long pepper,

Betel leaf,

Tulsi,

Neem bark,

Vasa,

Maha Laxmivilas ras ,

Tribhuvan kirti,

Sanshamani vati.

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Ayulink Ayurveda: Virology or Bacteriology and microbes are not easy to find out in ayurveda.  Still I have tried for long time to co-relate it with the description of krumi in Ayurveda. Persoanlly I wish to get more information on "Bhut Vidhya" which was part of ayurveda in past.

Bhut - pishach - Dev - Gandharva- Rakshasha etc are  described in the books are nothing else, but the name of different microbes, that is what I believe.

The description of Grah chikitsa, grah -badha, and Bhut vidhya is not available now for some reason. Only in the chapter of Bal-chikitsa - few sentences are available for the treatment of such virus or microbes. But many things are yet to explore. The classification of microbes or virus in good for human and bad for human, some produces diseases and some are good for health restoration and the description of each of them about their appearance and functions are interesting. Without microscope, how it was possible to describe so many different kind of microbes?!!

Most of the immune-modulators are used as anti-viral in ayurveda.

anti-septic, anti-biotic and immune-modulators are the same? or do they have any connection?

Ayulink Ayurveda: any idea about Bhut-vidhya in ayurveda?

Fo Ayucafe 07 2019 03:What do you think of the amla in tablets or capsules to suggest here in Italy or also of the chawanprash? these things are also easily found here, also Tulsi Turmeric, giger ...

Ayulink Ayurveda: Yes......amla fruit, tulsi, turmeric, ginger all are good for immunity. It may help for prevention of Corona and or other viruses too. Chyawanprash is also a known immunity builder.

Dhoopam (fumigation) - light a lamp in home with ghee, little camphor in it will be good for air purifier.

dhoopam with guggulu (gum resin) is proven for its air-purification ability

Vd Garima Shukla: water boiled  with ginger, pepper and / turmeric / cinnamon and clove can be helpful

Ayulink Ayurveda: Laxmivilas ras , Tribhuvan kirti  & Sanshamani vati are known ayurvedic formulas which we use in various infections as anti-viral / anti-biotics.

Shri Minoo parabia: In my view, but Vaidya deals with unconscious world of human mind. The schizophrenia, split personality, somnumbalism etc, which can not be explained with the available gamut of knowledge.

This then is assigned to unknown factors, out of this visible world, like dark matter, Bhut vidya....

Ayulink Ayurveda: Master Surya, do you have my mouth spray? Did I gave you one white inhaler when I visited you last time? Pl find it from your home. It is the best remedy for Corona prevention. It has camphor, ajwain, mint, licorice as ingredients. I have send samples to the lab here for the proof. If it will be prooved effective on Corona, it will be a huge gift to mankind from ayurveda.

I agree sir. But there are certain description of different bhutas...there are classification of bhutas...and they are related with psychosomatic conditions only. They are also responsible for physical illnesses. I am looking for more details on this. Anyone in our group, please share more information, if available

Shri Minoo parabia: Yes, you are right

Ayulink Ayurveda: For me all bhuta description is more or less - are microbes, or virus or bacteria. Somewhere I have read its description - about appearance also. (How they Look ?) If it is so, means even in the age of ayurveda, they have identified several such microbes or organisms which can be only seen under microscopes. It is interesting subject. Para-psychology and treating of it is another aspects of bhuta-vidhya, which I am not looking for. Sometimes ago, a renowned ayurveda doctor explained me bhutas causing neuro-virological disorders. He has very good explanation of modern neurological disorders where involvement of bacteria or virus are confirmed by modern science. He was trying to co-relate all such diseases with ayurvedic bhuta-rogas. That was interesting for me.

Corona virus is 3rd of the series and having a specific structure and actions. This is also a kind of bhuta for me

Most effective herb I believe against any virus / bacteria - air borne infection is Basil and Camphor.

Ayulink Ayurveda: Smoke of camphor (dhoop sticks etc) and Tulsi plant inside the house near window or main door is considered good for air purification.

Dr. Sujata Guha: Sir where have you found references to bhuta correlations with modern descriptions of microbes.  I am very interested.

6484492: I found some info about the use of Neen as prophilactics. It avoid the entrance of the virus to the cell. What is your opinion about that

Recent pharmacological studies have supported the belief that neem leaves possess some antiviral activity. So far these are only preliminary and unconfirmed results, but they are intriguing, nonetheless. In the United States, aqueous neem-leaf extracts have shown low to moderate inhibition of the viral DNA polymerase of hepatitis B virus.6 In Germany, an ethanolic neem-kernel extract has proved effective against herpes virus.7 And in horticultural studies, crude extracts also seemed to effectively bind certain plant viruses, and so limit infection (see Chapter 6)

https://www.nap.edu/read/1924/chapter/8

Branko Markovic: High doses of Guduchi and Kalmegh was proven on few patients affected with corona in Singapore. Treated by my mentors. Also as prevention it is good to take guduchi and Sudarshan vati or Kalmegh.

Lashuna is also very useful to eat daily.

Tea from rosemary, sage, tulsi, lavender are very good as antiviral and also to protect the lungs and expel ama.

Grinder mustard seeds with cayenne pepper, camphor with little bit of water are good option as application on chest. It should be kept until skin is red. Some 15-20 min

2168: From what I can tell, the simple diet of villagers that live close or past 100, the standard lifespan not counting the food of kriya yug, siddhas, rishis, brahmins according to the shastras, etc. is enough to be immune. Can we agree most of the world, all modern food, Indian too, has greatly deviated form such?

Over millennia, diet has adapted to circumstances. Rome, North India, China, etc. moved away from multiple grains, often primary yava, to wheat (atta/maida) and rice. Such is meant for quick energy. Caraka notes as such for ground wheat. The life of kshatriyas and farmers (vaishas) with physical labor created needs for energy. Thus the switch to high amounts of grains as you see dishes with large amounts of rice, idly & dosa, etc. Heavy dals like urad for energy. Such does not promote ojas. Grinding a grain to flour removes prebiotic activity.

It is hard to piece together various studies but it seems resistant startch promotes the creation of immune T-cells. Yava and gavedhuka, perhaps too uddalaka, and maybe kodo/barnyard millet in smaller quantities.

Dal varies in astringent/kashaya taste. It seems that acids and tannins may be among primary antivirals. Dals noted for antiviral activity against HIV include the common bean (rajma), rajamasha, and even soy. Perhaps all beans have astringent taste. Rahamasha may have once been among the higher kashaya dals, though cultivation has changed that, with some noting in (some?) red chori it is absent.

Meat I think is the primary food of kshatriyas. Note discussions of hospitals in classical texts limit meat to certain wild and desert animals such as antilope. Aphrodisiacs note animals such as swan, peacock, etc. Domesticated animals, even yogurt and I think milk are implicated by Charaka in prameha. Modern meat is much higher in fat than even modern meat 100 years ago. Traditionally meat might have been a mere flavoring, a small amount a few times a week or less.

Fruit and vegetables. Studies for various viruses including HIV, flu, herpes, etc. note thousands of foods that have antiviral acitivity. Oleic acid (in raw unbrined olives), the antioxidant anthrocyanin in blueberries, it seems countless compounds have multiple activities including antiviral.

An Egyptian study of ~50 herbs notes the highest acitivity for HIV include triphala and a variety of acorn (nut of the oak tree, quercus). Acorn is perhaps due to high tannin levels in some varieties.

One cannot separate acitivity of any food as antioxidant, good for liver, heart, kidneys, brain, eyes, etc. Ever food has multiple activities. Amalaki has 20+ known antioxidants with varying activities, not just Viramin C. All foods are likely as such.

For HIV I think even amaranthus spinosus (tanduliyaka) and chenopodium album (vastuka, pehraps for amla taste), and so many other fruits and vegetables. In the majority of modern foods, astringent and sour have been cultivated out. People eat oranges, banana, apple, mango, etc. Not amalaki, haritaki, bilva, amrataka, badara (zizyphus jujuba), etc. Even if there might not be studies, all such foods tend towards rasayana. Kakamaci as vegetable is listed as rasayana.

classical texts list green vegetables first. Not tubers like potato, taro, or purple yam (aluka, discorea alata). Aluka is noted as the worst tuber by caraka. Toxicity or heavy? Such foods too I think are from a different age when people needed energy for labor.

Highest antivirals I think are tannins and acids. Classical foods include flowers. lotus, chrysanthemum, rosa damascena from persian/unani influence, etc. Agastya is listed I think near the top of flowers in Sushruta. Flowers seem always included in list of foods. People eat banana flowers and so forth. Flowers show antiviral activity against multiple viruses such as flu, herpes, tb, malaria, HIV, etc. Hibiscus and all of them.

Classical antiviral formulas seem to focus on tree bark and flowers. Chinese formulas as well. Arjuna, manjistha, pine tree, banyan, ashvattha, sandalwood, neem, tamala (cinnamomum), and so forth. Any antiviral seems to tend to act upon multiple viruses, varying in strength.

Perhaps for tannins, gavedhuka even shows fairly string anti-HIV activity. Main herb in China I believe for cancer. Anything that removes disease for one condition will possibly promote ojas for all conditions.

pommegrante possibly, traditional use uses skin, pulp, etc. astringent and bitter tastes. Think of all foods as such. Tests for SARS, another coronavirus show activity of the herbs: scutellaria baicalensis (Chinese skullcap root), houttuynia, isatis spp(woad), glycyrrhiza spp (yashtimadhu), forsythia suspensa (fruit), sophora flavescens (flower?), lycoris radiata, lonicera japonica, polygonum cuspidatum, sambucus spp (elderberry). That does not mean all else does not have antiviral or ojas promoting activity. 800 foods/herbs have been show strong acitivty against HIV. 1000+ foods/herbs as antibacterial. That is just what is tested.

Woad (isatis) is the brassica family, same as cauliflower, cabbage, radish, mustard, moringa, etc. In such absence, we know moringa seed, mustard seed and leaf, horseradish, wasabi, those with the strong mustard-like flavor, are highly valued. Black mustard leaf is listed close to the beginning in Caraka. Without such foods, add more mustard seed.Can we begin again to think of the tastes, rasa, are present in all foods and the entirety of the diet matters?Obesity is associated with what is called chronic low-grade inflammation. We know excess kapha is an over active immune system. At what point does it start? Even being 5 or 10 kg above ideal, such as those of kriya yug described as being perfect in size? Possible. Such is why I repeat yava, gavedhuka, and uddalaka to restore oneself to whatever is ideal. Whenever one is in the world, look for the highest rasa foods. In absence of moringa or woad, various mustards, broccoli sprouts as note moderns, (wild) arugala, shepherd's purse. Stinging nettle, pelletory. In absense of agastya, look for other sesbania. Instead of spinach, look for vastuka or tanduliyaka which grows throughout the world. Amaranthus polygonoides (tropical amaranth) grows in parts of India, not mentioned in classical texts I believe but maybe stringer than tanduliyaka, etc. olive leaf, banyan or ashvattha leaf, and so forth. think of the entire plant. draksha leaf and so forth. the world is made of hundreds of thousands of edible plants. There are 1000+ species of phyllanthus. Various terminalias, not just haritaki and bhibitaki are used in various places like africa, etc. Look for anything with I think greater bitter and astringent taste: dandelion, chicory, etc. One study of gorillas I think notes ~36% of the diet includes high astringent foods. Some great apes, our relatives, get thousands of mg of calcium, thousands of mg of vitamin c, and so forth every day. The classical foods are classical for a reason.Wherever in the world one is, look at various markets. Gavedhuka from chinese and japanese. flowers from east asia and other places that still use flowers as tea. Two varieties of jute (mallow family: cotton, hibiscus/gongura, okra) are listed in classical texts. One, maybe the one with less rasa, is still used in Egypt, Persia, and so forth and available dried or frozen (molokhia). Search the whole world.

Ayulink Ayurveda: The application of the basic terminology  viz; Rasa, Guna, Virya and Vipaka are important. But somehow we are lacking it. Mostly we classify and understand  the herb / food in modern terms.

The combination of mustard, Cayenne pepper and camphor is interesting. I will try this. Thank you.

2168: Notice how in the news it's noted that a fair amount of people can carry the virus without showing "symptoms" (cough, fever, etc.), perhaps only fatigue and inflammation as the body is fighting it. Few in the world can even match villagers or stories of grandmother that lived past 90 without sickness. Are we now convinced that any deviation from such a simple diet, modern food of any kind, Indian too, if one is prone to even infrequent coughing, sneezing, a cold, etc. one is more prone to all disease.

2168: When we think of preparing food, think of clasical preparations, kritanna varga. Peya, vilepika, manda. I think such is not quite like rice gruel, kanji, or kitchari, etc. but putting all ingredients together, a bit like how some make sambar together with dal and grains. What I make might taste a bit like sambar yet the choice of ingredients is deteremined by taste, heaviness/lightness, etc. People will tend to use pomegranate or tamarind for sour but think of all ingredients, vinegar, vrikshamala (kokum), etc. I also use western herbs like rosemary, thyme, oregano, etc.

Branko Markovic: Gruel like food or soups are best to eat to prevent formation of ama and to build up agni and ojas. Often I make soup with lot of garlic and onion (with peal as they are good for lungs), fresh ginger, curcuma, mustard seeds, little bit of trikatu, some kind of dhal, some green veg like brassica, olive oil or ghee. All should be boiled on low flame for some time. While boiling I add rosemary, thyme, sage, bay leafes, oregano. When is finish I squize halfs lemon or lime in my bowl. Soup is very aromatic, tasty and it is working amazingly like medicine.

2168: What are now called cooking herbs like dill mint basil coriander chervil parsley and and so forth tend to be higher in rasa than many common vegetables. It is possible to use them in greater quantities than typical as needed. If one is in Europe Africa Latin America Africa etc. there are are others.Searching pubmed, it's mentioned even oregano has antiviral activity. All foods have multiple actions on the body. Perhaps any strong tasting food does. Ajmoda kalonji ajwain etc.

Lignans too have antiviral activity. Think how valued is sesame seed in ancient texts, mixed with food. Flax seed is also named uma. In a chinese study of herbs against covid-19, one finds root and leaf of morus alba, a relative of tuda, morus indica. The leaf is i think the primary food of silkworms and perhaps significant. In silico screening of Chinese herbal medicines with the potential to directly inhibit 2019 novel coronavirus.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095496420300157

From a recent handbook by the chief physician in Wuhan, some of the common herbs currently used in China :

rhizoma phragmitis (lu gen), rhizoma imperatae (bai mao gen), radix angelicae dahuricae (bai zhi), rhizoma atractylodis macrocephalae (bai zhu), rhizoma atractylodis (cang zhu), honeysuckle (jin yin hua), herba pogostemonis (huo xiang), radix et rhizoma rhodiolae crenulatae (hong jing tian), rhizoma dryopteridis crassirhizomatis (guan zhong), rhizoma polygoni cuspidati (hu zhang), fructus tsaoko (cao guo), pericarpium citri reticulatae (chen pi), folium mori (sang ye), radix astragali praeparata (huang qi), radix ligustici brachylobi (fang feng), and herba eupatorii (pei lan)

Majority are rhizome, some roots, and one flower. A few leaves and one fruit. The fruit is in the zingiberaceae family, possibly a bit similar to black cardamom?Flower lonicera japonica seems available in some parts of India, names : Marathi - Honey Suckle, Manipuri - Madhumati.

http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Japanese%20Honeysuckle.html

Shri Minoo parabia: I consider Panchtikta as the best anti viral and also anti bacterial.  Rasayan churna as best immunomodulator.

Neem, Ginger, Turmeric, Ark, all Piper app. Vasa, are fairly good anti viral.

Dr. R Prathiban: Many herbs are anti-viral but not against corona virus, the SARS, MERS and COVID-19 has common feature as acute respiratory syndrome or pneumonia. So drugs should be anti-viral and predominantly acting on respiratory system.

Dr. Arvind Shahane: Thinking about suvarna yukt laxmivilas ras?

Dr. R Prathiban: The general assumption of anti-viral effect of neem, garlic, ginger, turmeric etc are not going to help in corona virus. They are anti-viral but not known about its effect on corona virus. The only known Ayurveda herb is Yasthimadhu. In all studies Yasthimadhu was effective against corona virus in infected cell lines.

Any anti-viral properties or studies supporting?

Ayulink Ayurveda: Now in days, hundreds of recipes and herbs are claiming their effectiveness on COVID19. Most of them are just home remedies for cold and cough.....some of them are immunity promoter herbs. But no one has any proven herb or formula on COVID 19.

The confidence of non-qualified people, selling or preaching such so called "Effective medicine of COVID19" is really very high. I am afraid of such people and their recipes. In long run, when people will feel being cheated in the name of ayurveda, the situation will not be good for ayurveda and ayurveda practitioners. Even many ayurveda doctors, not knowing ABCD of Corona virus are now presenting themselves as expert of Corona virus and start suggesting recipes. This is dangerous scenario. Everybody seems to have fear of being left behind in this market.

Dr. R Prathiban: Copper or copper nanoparticle are anti-viral, its effect are not explored in corona

Ayulink Ayurveda: Government Viro Labs in India are best to make trials for us. But there are very few herbal preparations are under testing.

Dr. R Prathiban: Our doctors and our ministry are reluctant to do research sir. Our doctors assume that ama hara is anti-viral. We have to do research like Chinese and explore our Ayurveda

Ayulink Ayurveda: One must approach such laboratories with our herb / formula with collected - published theisis work on each ingredient of such formula. I was suggested for this, and I did the same. I send samples of one formula to virus lab yesterday. Now waiting for results, before claiming for any response. Hope for the best

There are 4 ingredients in my formula, and I collected total aprox 80+ published thesis on each ingredient, proving each of them are having anti-viral properties. I hope, I will have good response from such lab.

Dr. Vikas Sharma Punjab: In my view covid19 look like vat petik pratishyaye lakshan so swanyukt ras aushdhi give better result.

Yog of shring bhasam also improve the symptoms of this viral disease.

2168: Are people able to convince patients that their entire diet must change if they wish to recover? I am unclear about the immune response viruses but I am sure it involves more than just antivirals. Vitamin C, antioxidants, maybe other vitamins and minerals. Are we not treating the cause, which I think is a severe deficiency in ojas and possibly a severe dosha imbalance?

A fair amount of people recover without lasting lung damage. Such states I think it does not require great knowledge of herbs and diet for the average person to survive. But to treat someone vulnerable that may suffer severe lung damage or worse, the entire body is in a state where they have difficultly resisting disease. I think we should think in something like such terms.

While many herbs have been untested, it's very possible like many antivirals, they have effects against multiple viruses, but indeed some act strongly on some viruses, and less so on others.

This list of 800 known plants with anti-HIV activity, such should show us a wide range of plants is necessary.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5983620/

Dr. Uday H. Hanagal: Krimighna  Dravya  --   Vaayu Vidanga, Nimba,       Haridra, Tulsi , Ativisha etc

Dr. Lokeshwary Gpet: SOME AYURVEDIC CONSIDERATIONS ON COVID-19

Ayurvedic Classical Texts give the tools to analyze and understand everything even if they don't describe everything. COVID-19 is not described. However, using the yukti that stems from the study of Ayurveda and its application we can derive some ideas about the COVID-19.

Observing the shape of the virus it has spikes and irregularities which suggest a Vāta Pitta nature, more precisely Tīkṣṇa, Sūkṣma, Laghu and Rūkṣa Guṇa. Then the rapid spreading and the fast moltiplication suggest Sāra Guṇa and Uṣṇa Virya.

All these Guṇa are found again in the clinical manifestation of the disease: Dry cough, fever and breathlessness. COVID-19 goes deep in the lungs not stopping at the bronchial level, full of mucus, but going directly in the alveoli where Rūkṣa and Uṣṇa Guṇa are generated due to the air/blood interface and the exchange/metabolic action. Due to the characteristics of this location, COVID-19 develops at most its Uṣṇa and Rūkṣa property drying up all the Jala of the tissues and generating a fibrosis which is Rūkṣa, Khara, Kaṭhina and Sthūla, blocking the air/blood exchange and possibly leading to death for respiratory failure. The very same Guṇa can be found at the anatomo-pathological level where the fibrosis, whose Guṇa are Rūkṣa, Khara, Kaṭhina and Sthūla, replaces the lung tissue.

Also the demographic perspective respects the indications provided by Guṇa observations, as a matter of fact COVID-19 manifests its symptomatology mostly and more seriously in elders where Vāta Doṣa is increased, quickly developing fibrosis and respiratory failure, than in young people where Kapha Doṣa is predominant, while the middle aged persons it may develop a relatively mild symptomatology. Moreover, it has been hypothesized that the most serious manifestations happen in people who take ACE inhibitors (https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m810/rr-2)(https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m606/rr-10), antihypertensive drugs that reduce Kapha Doṣa and increase the Tīkṣṇa properties of COVID-19.

From these observations it could be inferred that COVID-19 will be sensible to hot and wet climate, while it would increase and spread in cold and dry climate.

From a Therapeutical point of view, in consideration of the characteristics of COVID-19, it should be considered a therapy that increases Snighda, Guru and Śīta Guṇa in the patient. A good candidate could be Yaṣṭīmadhu (Glycyrrhiza glabra - Licorice) which has Madhura Rasa, Snighda and Guru Guṇa and Śīta Vīrya, for this is Vāta and Pitta Hara. Incidentally, Glycyrrhiza glabra has been shown to inhibit the replication of SARS virus in vitro (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12814717) (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15715493).

 Yaṣṭīmadhu is relatively safe and available all over the world. It could be prepared as a decoction, preferably in milk that having Madhura Rasa, Guru and Snighda Guṇa, Śīta Vīrya could enhance the activity of Yaṣṭīmadhu.

2168: I think the approach of antivirals is perhaps incorrect. Note how also in Charaka Vi 3, it's noted that the approach to treat epidemics is the use of rasayana. Such does not necessarily mean rasayana as specific formulas as mentioned in the texts. Think of the sage Cyavana. The story goes that he is an old man with a new young bridge. The spirit of the formula cyawanprash is that his vitality and entire body is restored to such a state that he can engage in relations with his wife, like a young man. Such is also the spirit of rasayana. Why do I primary focus on diet and so often stress the importance of the classical foods or other foods from other parts of the world that might be as important? As in this case, many are able to survive the virus with little or no damage to their lungs or their body. I do not have a good understanding of virology. Yet I have the feeling that considering that the body is an entire system of tissues, organs, and so forth all interacting and trying to maintain equilibrium, as the body is fighting a foreign agent like a bacteria or virus, it is necessary for the body to have all the needed resources to fight the virus, and resist damage to the lungs and perhaps other various organs and symptoms. Indeed with some range of herbs, perhaps the virus can be quickly killed. Yet those most vulnerable are those that are perhaps suseptible to a number of conditions, that is perhaps much of their body has decayed to a state such that they no longer have the vitality of youth. Is it more important that whoever is afflicted, that they survive it with minimal or no lasting effects? Then I think we should perhaps focus on what will ensure all tissues, all organs, all systems are in a state such that they are resistant to any possible effects, that they can survive.

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