Role of Sadhak Pitta in diseases...#ayurveda discussion

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Today's topic for discussion:  Role of Sadhak Pitta in diseases

Dr. Hardik- MD: Charak maharshi has mentioned in pandu roga, hradayasth pitta is spread in all over body by vata

Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: The sadhaka pitta connects the heart and mind together so that the two can communicate with each other. Sadhaka pitta dwells in the heart and the brain, and includes the nervous system and the senses. The sadhaka pitta has an inward movement, which essentially sorts out our external experiences into an internal ‘felt’ experience. It distinguishes truth and reality from the information from the senses. 

The sadhaka pitta helps us fulfill both our material and spiritual goals in life.

In anatomical terms, the sadhaka pitta subdosha includes the neuro-transmitters responsible for dopamine and serotonin. It is responsible for homeostasis (regulating body temperature) and regulating the hypothalamus (which controls important hormones and the nervous system) in the brain.  An unbalanced sadhaka pitta essentially means umbalanced hormones.

Inside the heart, according to Ayurveda, there are two main energies – agni (sun energy) and soma (lunar energy). These need to be kept in balance. If agni is too strong, through emotional and mental stress, it will burn away soma, and lead to reduced ojas, or vitality. Like our agni, sadhaka pitta is an internal “fire” that mentally “cooks” our experiences for us. If it’s too low, our experiences will take a long time for us to come to terms with. If the sadhaka pitta fire is too high, it can explode and makes a person behave in crazy, irrational ways.

When your sadhaka pitta is in balance, you will feel blissful. You will have a balanced, even temperament. When your sadhaka pitta is out of balance, due to emotional stress or excess pitta, you will experience wild mood swings, from irritability to moodiness to anger, and to sadness. You may also have pitta-style depression, which includes being domineering, controlling, intolerant, critical (of self and others), intolerant and having the inability to concentrate. It may affect your relationships. There may also be pitta insomnia (waking up early in the morning with lots of energy), or inflammatory conditions, such as allergies, dermatitis, heartburn or diarrhoea. The sadhaka pitta can be especially out of balance for women during menopause – resulting in the characteristics wild mood swings and hot flushes.

Vd. Bhavesh Thakkar: Exceptional interpretation..! Pranam.

Vd. Prerak Shah: Practically my interpretation of disturbances in sadhak pitta reflects psychosomatic disturbances. Rasa dhatu disturbance, Agni disturbance, mind-heart connection imbalance and lack of Sattva.  If Prana Vata is also disturbed with sadhaka pitta, it is confirmed stage of mind and heart conflict. May be leading towards pragyaparadh.

Vd. Bhavesh Thakkar: true. Heart is adhisthan of Man (mind). So sadhak pitta will control both, heart and mind.

Vd. Mahesh Akani: Study of above Vd. Dhrut's article......An imbalenced sadhak pitta essentially means imbalanced hormones Manjistha is very good drug for imbalanced hormones. As we result got in infertility of women causes.. In imbalanced hormone.

Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara: I think clinical depression also .. We can Co relate

 Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: Yes,When sadhaka is imbalanced due to INCREASE of pitta –hyperactivity –impatience and anger may be seen. When it is LOW, then the energy of transformation –the energy that processes ‘sensory’ data, information, emotions, thoughts and feelings may be low. Manovaha srotas are blocked. so, depression can also be called low sadhaka.

Vd. Mahesh Akani: A family has 2 young children expired at that time husband, wife – both Aged 48 yrs. LH, FSH, prolactin reports were abnormal….We give her Mangistha ghan vati for 3 months. After then pregnancy confirm & they got twins.

Sure mangistha activate sadhak Pitta, relieves depression, balances hormones as we feels

Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara: Premenstrual syndrome PMS and post partum after delivery depression .. All can be included also in western world there's a disease called seasonal affective disorder( mainly the areas where's less sun light) also can be included in violation of sadhaka pitta

Vd. Manhar Prajapati: Sadhko ह्दयेस्थित means satva depends upon Sadhak pitta... Some pt having cold and became Stressful while pravar satva pt even suffering from life threatening disease they became calm acceptable mode...so we need to know how we can balance Sadhak pitta any diet or drug or yog.. Akhani sir gave good experience about manjistha

Vd. Prerak Shah: Is there any other herbs, which we can use to correct sadhak pitta? Like Vd. Mahesh Akhani suggested Manjistha..

Vd. Neha Dipam Tripathi: I think yoga and pranayam are better than any drug

Mansyadi kashay, Gudichi sattva

Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara: Anti depression drugs  in ayurveda jatamansi a pinch at bed time.

Jatamansi : the plant has a rich history of medicinal use and has been valued for centuries in Ayurvedic (Indian) and Unani (ancient Greco-Arab) systems of medicine. The scientific literature contains primarily phytochemical and animal studies of the plant's activity on the nervous system.

The rhizomes of Nardostachysjatamansi, the plant commonly known as Jatamansi have been described in Ayurveda for their soothing and sedative action on the central nervous system. In the present study, the anti-stress effect of hydroethanolic extract (70%) of N. jatamansi (NJE) was evaluated in reference to its antioxidant property.

Shri Minoo parabia: Katupatol. Luffa echinata.

Germany Helga Fuchs: All so well said. About medicine one  doctor told me about Brahmi, Vacha, Sarpaghanda. People with disturbed SP tend for extreme food and drug's. Mind movement to fast yes, or to slow, and tend to extreme emotional behaviours. Paranoid disturbance. No courage for the smallest things. SP teach us humility. Due Meditation, Yoga, Pancha Karma, Pitta Routine and food, Study's of holy scriptures, we clean the inner and gross body. By this we understand life and beeing better and we are able to see what is important to hold and for what to go.

 Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: Taruni - Rosa centifolia

 Vd. Ketan bhimani: Jatamasi =malkangani=  bhutghni.  patent drug ~ cognium from charak, allert from vasu, hibril from vital care,,,,

Vd. Hardik bhatt: Sadhakam hridgatam pittam so I think that not brain tonic but cardiac tonic herbs are useful to balance sadhak pittam

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Sadhak pitta having Tikshna Guna(sharp ness).  By this characteristics, this pitta mainly balance kapha dosha(especillay mand guna-dullness )...Sadhaka pitta removes dullness of kapha from heart and it perceives various subjects very sharply(तैक्ष्ण्यातीक्ष्णपराक्रमा:) ...

Vd. Prerak Shah: How to identify a herb affecting Sadhak Pitta?

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Charaka has not categorized pitta in five types...when sadhak pitta increased , it causes aggressive personality...in this cases pitta shamak herb should be given...Rose is useful.. Which increase kapha and will balance sharp ness of pitta.. Herbs those improve intelligence increase sadhak pitta function…Asafoetida increases pitta(sadhaka),. Asafoetida specialy increase tikshana guna(sharp ness) of pitta, and thus it helpful in epilepsy and coma...( मूच्छॉ अपस्मारह्रत् परम्---भावप्रकाश)..... Asafoetida decreases vata kapha and increase pitta...asafoetida uses in many mental disorders especially where Tama (dullness) has increased due to kapha(in heart)..asafoetida will remove this kapha from heart and will increase sharpness(of ) pitta....--- This is hypothetical and I believe in this firmly.. There are also many other herbs….. If we see guns of pitta, there is only one guna(tikshna- sharpness) which concerns with mental function...

Ref.. Charak viman.8,, Susruta sutra- 15, Astang sutra- 14...

Vd. Ajay Pithiya: As far as the function of sadhak pitta concern it deals with mental functions more,  such as intelligence,  self consciousness,  knowledge etc...  Location is hradaya (not  anatomical heart) …..So imbalance of sadhak pitta can easily understand in any of psychic or psychosomatic disease …..Again as per sushrut samhita, oja which again reside in hridaya is also depend upon sadhak..

Drug useful in sadhak pitta..  Tikshna guna pradhan when sadhak pitta function hinders …….Drugs with shit mrudu guna when sadhak pitta aggregate s

Shri Minoo parabia: Exemplary discussion. Thanks to all.

Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: kapha in mind increases alasya(laziness) but at the same time kapha is necessary for long term memory and kshama (forgiveness).to counteract qualities of kapha GOD placed sadhak pitta. now you will ask then if it works on mind why it is  said "साधकं ह्रद गतं पित्तं"  as per my thinking it should be a chemical which can cross the BBB. And it can be produced when man desires to do something....then the sadhak pitta is produced and will work until the sadhna is over.when person gets the sadhya(desired thing) sadhna(struggle) is over. Until that point sadhak pitt counteracts laziness created by kafa sometimes counteracts क्षमा (forgivness) also and takes works from employees and reach the desired level.   This chemical may be produced in brain or heart and works in whole body….although hypothesis story but can be useful to understand work of sadhak pitta….And tulsi can be best drug to produce sadhak pitta.because it is taken by all sadhak who is desiring to reach spiritual level… If you badly desire something take tulsi thats what i mean to say…..As tulsi is useful to increase sadhak pitta to pacify sadhak pitt yastimadhu, may be usefull. Because it is said in rasayan chikitsa that..."मंडूक परण्याः स्वरसः प्रयोज्य क्षीरेण यष्टिमधुकस्य चूर्णम।मेद्यानि चेतानि रसायनी मेद्या विशेसेण शंखपुष्पी" this all drugs creates calmness to mind increases little kapha. To increase sadhak pitta jyotishmati, vacha and tulsi may be usefull

Bunty Gandhi: What about herb arjuna in imbalance sadhaka pitta ? It has also hriday prabhav.. As sadhaka pitta is connected with heart and process of thinking-emotions of mind...

Vd. Ajay Pithiya: Mostly any of pitta is related to अग्नि व्यापार ie any of the process which converts any substance or form of any body material to another one...  Thus this agnivyapar may call as digestion,  metabolism or so on..

Pitta is mediator in all these kind of process.. 

Sadhak is related to mostly mental functions such as buddhi,  medha etc.. 

So for mental functions when they need to process sadhak is essential

Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: if you desire physically anything you need heart to bit fast and contract properly...for that you need dopamine or adrenaline.....so can dopamine or adrenaline cconsidered as sadhak pitta???

Dr Dipak Shirude:  In my experience, sadhak pitta imbalance is successfully treated with Suvarna sutshekhar ras .. It's consumption time is considered within 11 am to 4 pm .. Single dose is sufficient .. It affects desirably on almost psychosomatic disturbances related with sadhak pitta ..

Vd. Prerak Shah: ok....let's conclude this subject. Thnx all.

SLE (systemic lupus erythematosus).... #Ayurveda approach

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Today's topic for discussion: [12/1/2015, 7:21 PM] +91 98242 43567: Next topic for discussion: SLE (systemic lupus erythematosus).... #Ayurveda approach

Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: Systemic Lupus Erythematosis….An Autoimmune disease Tri-dosha are involved. The Ayurvedic remedy of lupus depends upon the presentation of symptoms and the involvement of diverse systems and organs. This becoming an autoimmune illness, to begin with and foremost, it is very important to try and restore the immune function of the physique. Immunomodulatory therapy can be given utilizing medicines like Ashwagandha (Withania somnifera), Shatavari (Asparagus racemosus), Guduchi (Tinospora cordifolia), Yashtimadhuk (Glycerrhiza glabra), Pippali (Piper longum), Rasna (Pluchea lanceolata) and Manjishtha (Rubia cordifolia).  According to Ayurveda, the body is created up of seven "Dhatus" or tissues . It is imperative to see which of the body tissues are affected most, in a patient with lupus. These tissues can then be treated with the proper medicines so as to repair the harm carried out, and to restore optimum function of the body. Precise Ayurvedic treatment can also be given according to the affected  organ.

Vd. Mahesh Akani: Guduchi - sida codifolia is the best drug for S L E. I am doing Vaman , Virechan, Basti of Bala, rasna, dasmul for anuvasan& aasthapan. Also giving 1) Bala guduchyadi kwath  2) Amruta ghrut 3) Maha Mangisthadi than 4) Khirbala aavarti 5) Sutsekhar ras

Bunty Gandhi: Yes immunity enhancing herbs keeping in mind of person's prakruti..

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: In SLE, there is genetic susceptibility. There is mainly type 3 hypersensitivity with type two hypersensitivity. Many systems are involved. Mainly Rasa dhatu dushti is there. Its problem due to defective gene , so here problem is started in Gharbha rasa... Kapha is mala of rasa dhatu.. Prakrit kapha is Bala(good immunity) while vaikruta kapha is mala(auto immunity)...प्राकृतस्तु बलं श्लेष्मा विकृतो मल उच्यते !! स चैवौजः स्मृतः काये....so here rasa dhatu dushti mainly occur. Vikrita kapha (ama)is produced more... In this condition Pippali is useful with systemic approach. Treatment must be done as per tissue involvement with rasayan therapy...

Shri Minoo parabia: Lupus E;  a lady 20 years and Lupus nephritis later was on 40mg/day Wysolon. A lady 35 years, when approached me. Regimen followed ...... Mahamanjishthadi kadha 250 + manjistha 50 g. Fresh decoction. Giloy; launea; Aloe; Euphorbia hirta fresh extract every day. Gokhru; punarnava fresh decoction. Both are fine. Former about 12 years old and later about 20 years old cases. Treated at Surat. Interested friend can visit one with LN as she stays very much in Surat..Sreroids were tapered gradually and were discontinued after about 5 months.

Germany Helga Fuchs:  With today's topic I do not have experience, sorry.

Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: No experience about SLE..

Vd. Prerak Shah: I have treated few cases of SLE with virechan followed by high dose of guduchi Satva and gives good result. Unfortunately my job  ends with Panchkarma and I have to refer back the patient to his/ her physician. So no more further data available.

Dr Dipak Shirude: I have some experience about this .. typical SLE patients were very few but other similar conditions are regularly seen .. Typical butterfly sign on face and multiple joint involved .. According to modern texts, SLE reduces life span of the patient, remarkably .. I have studied about this far ago in student life .. Practically, Amrutottaram quath, Balaguduchyadi quath, Kokilakshak quath, Manjishthadi quath, These are used as per prakriti and kal  ..I have high belief in administration of Suvarna in this ailment .. One can use it according to the economical status of the patient .. Suvarnasiddha JAL, Suvarna malini Vasant, Brihat Vat Chintamani Ras, Yogendra Ras, can be chooses as per situation .. I also believe that just wearing pure gold on body raise immunity !!?!! .. Karuthamarmani lepam from south Indian texts is very effective when used externally in the inflammatory conditions of any immunity related disease .. It gives symptomatic relief but it needs to keep the patient's hope alive uptill the immune system upgrades !

Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara: Guduchi - tinospora cordifolia it contains berberine, tinosporin,  beta stetosterol..Some info on beta sitosterol- Beta-sitosterol is a substance found in plants. Chemists call it a “plant sterol ester.” It is found in fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds. It is used to make medicine.
Beta-sitosterol is used for heart disease and high cholesterol. It is also used for boosting the immune system and for preventing colon cancer, as well as forgallstones, the common cold and flu (influenza), HIV/AIDS, rheumatoid arthritis,tuberculosis, psoriasis, allergies, cervical cancer, fibromyalgia, systemic lupuserythematosus (SLE), asthma, hair loss, bronchitis, migraine headache, and chronic fatigue syndrome. Some men use beta-sitosterol for enlarged prostate (benign prostatic hyperplasia or BPH). Some women use it for symptoms of menopause. It is also used for enhancing sexual activity. Marathon runners sometimes use beta-sitosterol to reduce pain and swelling after a run. Some people apply beta-sitosterol to the skin for treating wounds and burns. In foods, beta-sitosterol is added to some margarines (Take Control, for example) that are designed for use as part of a cholesterol-lowering diet and for preventing heart disease. The federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allows manufacturers to claim that foods containing plant sterol esters such as beta-sitosterol are for reducing the risk of coronary heart disease (CHD). This rule is based on the FDA’s conclusion that plant sterol esters may reduce the risk of CHD by lowering blood cholesterol levels. Although there is plenty of evidence that beta-sitosterol does lower cholesterol levels, there is no proof that long-term use actually lowers the risk of developing CHD. Guduchi has the natural steroid, and in SLE allopathy uses steroids in lower dosage regularly.  Stil clinical trials going onwards. Research in process

Shri Minoo parabia: Dr Rege of KEM did extensive work on T.cordifolia. cultivation and utilization of medicinal and aromatic plants a book by sir. The best immunomodulator.

Vd. Hardik bhatt: I think our all rasayaana drugs are containing this type of qualities like aamla haritaki guduchi shatavari yastimadhu etc

Vd. Manhar Prajapati: Autoimmune disease so rasyan first and can compare with vatrakt guduchi choice of drug virechan gives good result


Vd. Neha Dipam Tripathi: SLE compere with Uttan vatrakt  ….And treatment as Vd. manharbhai suggested

Excessive salivation or less salivation in adults / senior citizens....#ayurvedic approach

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Today's topic for discussion: Excessive salivation or less salivation in adults / senior citizens.

Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: Excessive or less salivation:-

Dosha:- mainly prana vayu and bodhaka kapha

Gandush and Nasya is beneficial.

Secretion of saliva is under control of the autonomic nervous system, which controls both the volume and type of saliva secreted so, Basti is also helpful.

Vd. Bhavesh Thakkar: ~* Excessive salivation 

Dosha - Kapha, vayu Dushya – rasa……..Krumi could also be a reason. 

~* Less salivation 

Dosa : Pitta, vata Dushya Ras

Ama pachana drugs along with digestives like vidanga will be helpful in excessive salivation

Less salivation - Madhura guna dravyas should be used.

Vd. Mahesh Akani: Sunth- vishva bhesaj : Madhur vipak & grahi guna. 

By grahi guna it's uses in excessive salivation & by madhur vipak it's uses in less salivation. Yes....anupana will change

Also excess..saliva is due to Krimi, Ajirna, udavarta, kaf prakop, aamdosh

& less saliva..is due to vata prakop, Dhatu kshaya

In both condition treatment is different but sunthi - vishwa is common, anupan is different. As Sunth + haldi (turmeric) in excess..saliva, Sunth + gud (jaggary) +ghee in less saliva

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Dry mouth( decrease salivation) is seen in sjogren disease... There are many pts of sjogren...so its necessary to rule out sjogren...in sjogren, Salivary and lacrimal both glands are Dysfunctional. Xerostomia(dry mouth) and Kerato conjunctivitis (sicca)are seen.. sjogren is autoimmune disease, dry mouth also can be seen in other autoimmune disease like RA, SLE, Sclero derma etc... I have seen a pt who used to drink 8 to 10 litre water due to dry mouth(lack of salivation). Pts got very much relief by Shadanga paniya. Other one pt also got  90% relief within 1 month. There are lot of pts with problems of Dry mouth(xero stomia) and dry eye(kerato conjunctivitis sicca) ... There are sjogren club in many cities for help to these types of pts.. There is sjogren club in Paldi- ahmedabad...

I always correlate auto immune disease with ama.  Symptoms of aama-- स्रोतोरोघ बलभ्रंश गौरव अनिलमूढता... Here what's mean by bala bhransh? Bhransh means corrupt.. Here bala( immunity) is working but its corrupted. ( same as politicians work a lot but for corruption and become harmful for country)..

Here bala is corrupted and work against own body tissue..so bala bhransh means corrupted immunity , corrupted immunity also seen in auto immune diseases... Other word is Anila mudhata( अनिल मूढता) ..Mudha means direction less(can't understand what to do)....it seems same as corrupted... By these two words , we can take autoimmune as Ama.. So i think whenever there is lack of salivation due to auto immunity ,first we must do treatment of Ama and after achieving niram condition , vata alleviating treatment should be done...

Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara: Excess salivation also can be caused by GERD reflux disease . So have to give patients abhayadi ghan vati. If no any other complaints then excess salivation . Also herbal dhumrapana suggested…Some seizure medicines such as Klonopin (clonazepam)…….Schizophrenia medicine called clozapine (Clozaril, Fazaclo ODT)…..Salagen (pilocarpine), used to treat dry mouth in people who have radiation therapy……..These medicines also causes excess salivation

Dr.Pulastya Vora : Excessive salivation may be due to continuous stimulation of salivary glands by way of pan or tobacco chewing or  an masala chewing. Less of secretion may be due to ageing of salivary glands; anticholinergic side effect of various drug therapies; excessive loss of water due to diuretic therapy. It can also be hereditary. Oral ulceration can also be a cause to sooth the lesion. Less secretion can also be due to hypothyroidism. Attificial saliva is available in foreign countries.

Vd. Hardik bhatt: Salivary gland stone , hypo and hyperthyroidism blood pressure medicines are also disturbing salivary secrations. Panchvalkal kwath , yastimadhu kwath with sfatika churn are useful for gandush and kaval .

Shri Minoo parabia: For excessive I prefer Acacia- akakia. It is sold by unanis. Babul fruits are crushed and kept under the strong sun light for the considerable period and powdered. Akakia is strong astringent. Gargling helps. For saliva deficit Arogyavardhini or sanjivani is fine.

Dr. Hardik- MD: In krimi rog also present excessive salvation in children. In excessive salvation we can not give katu rasa pradhan dravyas because their property is increase slavation so we have to use kashay and tikat aushadha like must a, ushir, puga fala, nagavalli……If we think about dravya's  vipaka and virya then it's not work properly because dravya will start it's action first with rasa.

Dr Dipak Shirude: Excess salivation is termed as Hrillas in Ayurved texts .. 

A good knowledge and experiences about this are already shared .. 

I wish to add something ..

Kapha prakop is the basic thing in this symptom while predisposing factors are the badly contaminated environment .. Dust particles . bad odour . mind disturbing scenes . abnormal temperature fluctuations .. These things stimulate the salivation and if not spitted out, it finally get added to the basic kapha-prakop. 

Vaman . virchan . basti . shodhan nasya play important role this regard. 

Chausashti pippali or vardhaman pippali rasayan is also worth. 

Daily mild and safe laxative like gandharva haritaki also helps to control the udaan vayu action .. Yet the tendency in some kapha constitution (prakriti) remains .. 

Clean and slight cool environment is better to avoid excess salivation and further spitting ..Less salivation in sr citizens .. So many situations present this symptom .. 

In general, involvement of pitta and vat as well as kaphaksay is considered .. 

While treating these patients, I keep in mind the line of treatment of Trishna and also Rasayan Chikitsa ..

ADHD (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder): #ayurvedic view & #ayurveda approach to manage it.

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Today's topic for discussion: ADHD (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder): ayurvedic view and ayurvedic approach to manage it.

Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: Sarashwatarist aswagandharist sarashwat churna are good option to treat this disease. In single drug jyotishmati could be also good option ..in short treatment should be antipsychotic and vata samak. It is related to vata dominance...vata has chal (moving) guna when chal guna in body and raja guna in mind increases ADHD happens. In vata prakruti guna ....अल्प केशो कृशो रुक्षो वाचालश्चल मानसः। स्वप्नेशु आकाशचारि च वात प्रकृतिको नरः।।  so chal manasa is Guna of vata. in this type of cases we should control vayu.  Best medicine could be vacha. because it is ushna in guna and antipsychotic. Most contraindicated drug in ADHD is vistinduk because it has chal guna  stimulates nerves and thus we should not use vistinduk containing medicine like vistindukadi vati,navjeevan ras or agnitundi in this type of cases for other causes.

Vd. Mahesh Akani: Adhd: Result is very slow. At night when child is sleeping at that time Auto suggestion & story telling by parents. Manas mitra vatak, sarshwatarisht, ashwagandha, sunth, aatmagupta, Abhyang, shirodhara, nasya r very useful. Above all treatment r vata shamak & Mano balya

Vd. Hardik bhatt: Jatamansi in combination of medhya drugs also a good

Dr Dipak Shirude: Very bad prognosis with aushadh .. Seems some improvement with shirodhara .. I am not satisfied with my treatments given to such cases ..

Drugs like Sutshekhar .. BVC .. Brahmi vati suvarnayukta are looking hopeful sometimes but that is also not permanent resulting .. Frankly speaking .. I cannot decide borders of between ADHD, Down's syndrome, Mental Retardation etc. I have not studied these modern terms .. My study regarding Unmad, Apasmar, Atattvabhinivesh and Various Grahas is yet not completed .. Such patients come to me sometimes but I cannot hold them for a longer period ..

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Down is completely different... While ADHD can be boon for many boys.. Michael fleps was suffered from ADHD..I think its not related with any type of prakriti.. I seen a patient with ADHD, initially stage of disease , he was very hyper active. In adolescent he become very calm... Down is chromosomal problem, trisomy of 21 chromosomes… These are some images for differentiate with Down... Yes it is not prakruti related but i told it For interpretation of ADHD as vat disease. ADHD is vikruti...because of vata and rajas guna.

Dr Dipak Shirude: I know some basic things about Down's etc. .. But when a patient of Down's behaves like ADHD or MR .. ?!?! .. Signs and symptoms mix up very much .. That is what I wanted to state ... .. .Study of grahas mentioned in Ayurved will prove beneficial to understand effective treatment of ADHD ...

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Down pts are more likely to have ADHD

Birju Acharya:  Shavasan and Meditation. Tratak karma in yogic Shatkarmas can be of great help for children.

Canada Dr. Nitin Shah: ADHD we can consider with excess vata and oil massage, quality good fat in forms of EFA through sesame oil, flex oil, cow's ghee etc. In diet, avoiding over stimulation in life style, time to time matra basti, adaptogenic herbs like tulsi, ashwagandha, Brahmi are beneficial.  And of course, regular practice of pranayama particularly ujjayee and bhramari followed by meditation

Vd. Ami mehta: ADHD is a behavioral - neurological disorder.  According to Ayurveda vata dominant tridoshaja disease of manovaha shrotas. We can use vatakaphahar, medhya, rasayan drugs. Like brahmi, ashwagandha,  tagar, vacha, jatamasi,  guduchi,  triphala,     satavari. Also used abhrak bhasma, vat chintamani ras, smruti Sagar ras, medhya rasayan choorna, kapoor kanchali. Also cow milk shirodhara with medhya drugs give good result.

Canada Dr. Nitin Shah: See the keyword in ADHD is H, which is related with hyperactivity , which is related with excess vata and some time pitta too.

As pitta is predominantly fire and fire always go up and never going down so some time need to be cooled down. So if ADHD with lots of fiery emotions like anger, hate, jealousy etc. Than vata-pitta pacifying protocols

Vd. Bhavesh Thakkar: It is no doubt vata imbalance. Brahmi tailam for head.

Aswagandha, Suvarna muktadi gulika gives results. Asan - pranayam - meditation etc also needed.

Shri Minoo parabia: I think there's some confusion. Down's syndrome is a genetic disorder 21 trisomy as mentioned. ADHD is a psychological issue. I know of schools taking care of such children. Parents also need counselling to handle such kids. Brahmi is just fine and  sufficient. Rest is giving full attention to a child.

Give lots of love and care. Channelize energy to productive activities or hobby.

I think that movie Taarey zamin par, although talks about Dislexia, very much pertains to this too.

Vd. Prerak Shah: I will support Dr. Nitin's comment to consider involvement of pitta dosha in ADHD.

Vd. Bhavesh Thakkar: Yes. Counseling is must. There is an interesting remark about ADHD: Once long back when I was with Dr P K Warrier the Managing Trustee and Chief Physician of Arya Vaidya Sala, Kottakkal. An NRI patient of ADHD visited him, he was a regular patient and was much much better with the medicines. As mentioned my Minoo Parabia ji the kid was attending the school and taking Drs medicines. If I am not mistaking he was given Suvarna Muktadi Gulika Aswagandharistam and Saraswataristam gold along with Shirodhara. But interesting point he made  during discussion was according to Dr PKW ADHD could be a result of vaccination. He is strongly against vaccination. He said many psychological conditions could be a result of vaccination.

Shri Minoo parabia: Very keen observation by Dr.  Warrier. Possible.

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Its true, the nature of hyper activity should be channelised

Dr. Bhagyashri Panchal:  In children..it is treated with the love...

Shri Minoo parabia: Pamper the ear lobes daily for 3 minutes with your index finger and a thumb to avoid neurological problems including Alzheimer!

Vd. Ajay Pithiya: Childhood according to ayurveda is stage of kapha which is tama pradhan..  Hyperactivity suggest excess of raja.. Though this is psychological issue, later on physical problems occurs inherited to vata nd yes pitta related too

Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: ADHD -

Dosha:- Tarpaka kapha, Sadhaka pitta, and Prana,Udan & Vyan vayu.

Ayurvedic approach to treat Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder is to enhance the dhi, dhriti and smriti resulting into increased mental coordination.

There are two types of approach to treat the ADHD, which includes herbs that pacifies all types of organs, dhatus and srota of the body.

1.These herbs pacifies the vitiated Vata dosha. These herbs effectively correct the body metabolism and maintain the proper functioning of all organs.

2.The other class of herbs are prescribed for correcting the mental disorder and effectively rejuvenate the brain. They are classified as Medhya Rasayan, which means they provide maximum nutrition to the brain, enhances dhi, dhriti, and smriti and improve coordination among neural complex and various mental factors.

The Ayurvedic approach relies on the mechanism to regulate the mental performances which involves;

*Tikta rasa directing medha (intellect)

*Ushna Virya and Tikshna Guna increases grasping power and perception

*Smaran retrieves Pitta

*Sara Guna improves prerana (motivation)

*Tridosha Shamaka pacifies Vata and regularize the function of mana (heart) and improves attention, working memory and procedural memory

Germany Helga Fuchs: ADHS Need strong routine, food, massage, and soft environment. I only have experience with herbs like brahmi and Bala. Giving body massage with same oils, and it is very important to treat the parents too. Learn them the routine first and to cook food who nutrients the body and mind.

We here in Germany says, if child is sick, treat the mother and father. Both needs good habits to each other and very important, both have to give same advice to the child. Differences creates pressure and conflicts in the child. And child have to learn disziplin. Most important, child have to do some work in family and for family. And maybe all together little things for others. By this way child have the feeling for beeing important and needed. And he can express his energy. And for sure…children need to play and to move. Today most play on computers. No direct training with other in nicely form. Computer very less and no mobil. And adults have to learn that childs are louther and running and crying. Time for running and time with discipline is needed. Same for adults, not so much excentric and good Vata routine and treatments. Shiro too but no Shiro for childs. And shure yoga and pranayama.

Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara:

 (ADHD) is a behavioral disorder of children that comprises perhaps 50% of referrals to child neurologists, behavioral pediatricians, and child psychiatrists. It is characterized by inattention, with increased distractibility and difficulty in sustaining attention, poor impulse control, and decreased self-inhibitory capacity, as well as motor overactivity and motor restlessness.[1,2] The incidence of ADHD in school-going children in the West and India ranges from 5%–10%.[3] Two to four times more boys than girls are affected.[4,5] It often continues into adolescence and adulthood and can cause a lifetime of frustrated dreams and emotional pain. A must read scientific paper on this subject http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3221068/

Germany Helga Fuchs: Thank you very much for this report Vd Kinshuk Hirpara. Wowww, I will discuss it with my doctor friend here. He is Doc of school medicine and sometimes we work together. Maybe we can start some work together for children with ADHS. Only one little problem is given for me. - Shiro for children under 14. Feel not well with them. Why? Yes Shiro well done creat wonders in regulation. But what I see, the common problems in childs with diagnosis ADHS as well as with diagnosis ADS, missing important experiences. As to learn to sitting still, to think how her actions works in the world... And and and. This are needed experiences to have balance. By treating with Shiro, manosha gunas get balanced, yes, but it gives not the missed learning experience. Only the strenght to be more able to comfort others and himself by relaxing. As I understanding second it's only dease of Trigunas. But if one is K prakruti or V prakruti, he is still different in  mind and body movement. One is slow to get but this is not a problem, he only need more time but have it. V is opposition. Fast understanding and fast loosing. But both have natural basics who must be trained. In Shiro, now I am afraid to disturb by manipulating manodhosha, this underlying important process. As in yoga, there is no need for childs to do special work before eight +-; and if we train them with yoga we can harm them. By this we start only with suryanamaskar soft and gayatrimantram, to give strenght to body and mind. And little little training to sitting quiet for short time. So it is nothing put down by outside regulation, no it is worked out by mind and body of the child.

If you do Shiro now and medicine, I miss your advice and information what you do after your successful treatment with Shiro. Maybe we can do it here to.😇. Hope you can clear my conflict. Many childs here in a big need and schoolmedicine only giving strong drugs as Ritalin. Many natural doctors against them and try with homöopathy and natural treatment. Success is given, but slow and parents are tired. Thank you. You should start this project in the west. Childs are our future and must be clear and strong. Yoga program then we build up and change earliest with 16. For not disturbing the natural growing process of dhatu. In yoga and ayurveda we manipulate with nature the nature, due the working process. This is, why so much success is given.

Vd Kinshuk Hirpara. Sorry, another question. In ADHS many adults have problems with her learning and studys, children too. It is so heavy for them to read, because she cannot focus on one word by reading, eyes are seeing all written words in the line. And by this disturbing she mast repead many time to get the meaning in her understanding. I have worked with an adult with a special technical. Paranormal Surgert to help her with ADHS. I do this to find out if there are some possibilities to help in this way. I was working on the eyes to give some input to her  Nervsystem. I use this technic for eyeproblems and for hpd. Her ADHS was getting relaxed, but most success for her was, that she can reading normal. In your study's, do you find any sign for better results in reading, or only in better mental improvements at all. I think this problem shut be solved or be less by Shiro to? As we see in nasya eyesight is getting better, most time. In Marsha and virecan nasya. More in brhman. Yes?

Vd. Neha Dipam Tripathi: Shaaman nasy gives good result in this

Mr. Bunty Gandhi: Came to know so many new things about ADHS.

Dr. Hardik- MD: I also

Vd. Neha Dipam Tripathi: Sthir gun pradhanya hoy + medhya + baly hoy evu drug ane ena thi sidhdha ghrit nu Sevan with milk and also can be used for nasya

Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara: Well, in option to Shirodhara,  I think drops of cow ghee in ears and nose. Also rubbing at foot soles. That will calm his nervous system . As cow ghee has so many tarpana qualities. And in matter of concentration , v hv many medicines like Brahmi and shankhpushpi.  But instead of this I have full trust on brahm Rasayana . Which has amazing results in kids with poor coordination. With all this, adhd kids have to take some councelling sessions.  And we can also teach kids meditation and deep breathing.

Vd. Prerak Shah: Thank you all friends. Let's conclude this topic. I will prepare summery today.

Sarpagandha - uses, complications, side effects, special recommendation / caution for use. (#ayurveda views)

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Sarpagandha - uses, complications, side effects, special recommendation / caution for use.

Vd. Jignesh Thakkar-Bhuj: major complication with sarpagandha is impotence

Bunty Gandhi: When my mother was using Sarpagandha Ghan Vati for insomnia ,She was having problem in opening eyes in night. She was feeling like vibration in eye cornea. Only in night. And we tested it for few days. That was happening only when she used to have sarpagandha ghan vati ..Reason : Don't know actually ….

Later on moved on Siledin in which there was no such problem.

Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: 

Sarpagandha - Uses:-

Krumihara – useful to relieve worm infestation and infection. Useful in the treatment of insect bite, scorpion bite, rat bite etc. Removes the toxic effect of rodent bite. Vishamajwara – useful in recurrent and chronic fever. Sarpagandha has calming effect over mind and brain. It induces sleep. It also relieves excited state of mind, hence useful in schizophrenia (insanity). It decreases blood pressure. It contracts uterus and induces menstruation. It is used in the treatment of epilepsy, panic attacks and anxiety. It suppresses early ejaculation.

Hence used in the treatment of premature ejaculation and early excitement.

Side effects:-

Because it stimualtes uterus, this herb should not be used during pregnancy.

This medicine should be used strictly under medical supervision. Special care is needed when it is administered along with other medicines for high BP. The combined effect may lower the BP to a great extent. Its sleep enhancing effect may further increase if taken by an alcoholic.  Hence, precaution is needed.

 special recommendation / caution for use:-

HTN, Insomnia

Vd. Dipam tripathi: i used only sarpgandha churna in case of anidra and hypertension.... good result and i never seen any advers effect….in the use of sarpgandha ghanvati...some pt having sleepiness.... sirogaurav....tandra...in the morning....

Minoo parabia: Rauvolffia perhaps one of the earlier herbs like Papaver and cannabis to draw attention of modern researchers. Dr. R. J. Vakil, the then chair of botany at KEM Mumbai, published his paper 1949. He showed anti hypertensive effect of isolated single molecules of Sarpagandha. Interested can see the original paper on Himalaya website.  It was highly held regimen, soon to be recognised as depressant on prolonged usage.

Lateron NCL Pune showed that there's a whole battery of molecules and if given in combination, iatrogenic reaction could be avoided!  Lo and behold, why not to use the natural one, so kindly gifted by the nature!

It is intended to regulate BP. And it does effectively. Disciplined use is required, as already mentioned by Dr.  Dhruti.

Germany Helga Fuchs: No experience with sarpaghanda, sorry. No sideffect with sarpaghanda in High BP? Interesting.

Vd. Ajay Pithiya: I noted adverse effect of sarpagandha - nasal congestion…in Some articles also quoted that it creases suicidal tendency

Bunty Gandhi: Once Dr D N Shahane told me that sarpagandha if used alone for long time then it can have side effects in some patients so it should be used in combination with other medhya herbs.

Minoo parabia: You are right Mr. Gandhi. I prefer Brahmi-Centella and Suhaga.

Vd. Ajay Pithiya: Sarpagandha ghanvati is a good combination but dosage must be very strict it contains parsik yavani (hyoscyamus niger) and jatamansi..Ideal anupana (vehicle) for sarpagandha is milk or ghee

Dr. Dipak shirude. jalgav: Definitely, Sarpgandha is a best choice for hypertension .. It works right from the moment you swallow .. Very remarkable thing I have found about it is that the action remains at least up to 18 hours ..

I use it in choorna tablet form .. Each tablet weighing 250 mg approx. In difficult kind of HTN patients, I have started it 2 tablets thrice a day even but then after regular record keeping of blood pressure, we reduced the doses up to 1 tablet only in a day .. We can choose vyaan kaal as well as evening vaat kaal for better results .. Before reducing doses of Rauwolfia, we usually give up patients ongoing modern medicines with or without the consent of modern physician and of course patients own will .. It is joyous for a patient to give up modern medicine for hypertension .. But it is notable that we need to provide other cardio protective medicine as well as proper attention towards patient's routine, diet, exercises along with effective counselling is important, as disease relates to sadyopranhar marma ..

Sarpagandha presents some unwanted symptoms like extra drowsiness in the morning, sleepy tendency, slightly puffy face (Shopha), weight gain in some patients. I have yet not noticed any long term side effect about Sarpgandha, but I think that they exist. More study and experience (and more number of patients also) needful.

Vd. Bhavesh Thakkar: According to bhav prakash nakuli Katustikta kashayoshna. It has hot property. Usna virya, yet I found many of ( not all ) patients got severe cough and cold during the period of intake of sarpaghandha.

The symptoms subsides as soon one discontinuation of sarpaghandha.

few of my patients got mild psychological symptoms mainly delusion.

Dizziness, sleepiness are common complains.

Infect I use it in many insomnia patients for short period of time.

Vd. Mahesh Akani Palanpur: Sarpagandha is very good in

1, psorisis : if it's created by psychological

2, any cause of High b.p

3, insomnia, Anidra…….but it's dose is very low. As 60 mg to 120 mg on one time…

Heavy dose gives symptoms of bhram, low bp, weakness

Vd. Prerak Shah: My query is: is it dependable herb for high BP?

Means can I be assured after giving Sarpagandha in high BP condition, just like any other modern anti-hypertensive drugs?

Vd. Dipam tripathi: ya.....maintain the dose

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: It will depend on sarpagandha works on what level and cause of Hypertension as there are many causes...

Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara: I would prefer jata mansi rather then sarpa gandha drug as so much controversy over it. N in my practice jata mansi I have seen gives best result even in high blood pressure and insomnia related to stress

Vd. Rajal Shukla: Complication of Sarpagandha is nasal blockge. ....some times brethless filling. .Use Sarpagandh with Rasayan churna/ tablet… Triphala churna/tablet with equal part of Sarpagandha

Minoo parabia: Dr. Prerak's question is very pertinent….Let me make some comments.  Sarpagandha is certainly effective on BP. But not without side effects.

So like Vatsnabh,  Bhallatak and many other herbs, sashtra has pinpointed either mitigation methods or recommended combinations. Over the years the knowledge system must have evolved and got refined as data from individual experience flow in. This is the unfortunate part. Most of the time the information remained burried. For the first time I am seeing this happening on this platform. This makes me immensely happy as my beloved knowledge system is being modernised in real sense. This will make it sharper and better understood by the rest of the World.

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Reserpine is alkaloid of snakeroot..its antihypertensive.. Reserpine and beta blockers both cause nightmare.. Many times only reserpine is used, I think we must use sarpagandha as  whole rather than its alkaloid reserpine.. This must be apply on all herbal preparation.. Many pharmacy uses only active principle..its not Ayurveda concept. Its true it will be beneficial to use in combination

Vd. Ketan Bhimani: I got best combination of sarpgandha as tab cardostab from nagarjuna company. ..... Sarpagandha+triphala same part. .... Because of our general opd, there is 60% pt diagnosed as udavart mins vayu n vichar vayu compression. I found best releif by this tab along with panchakarma therapy.

Minoo parabia: Yes.  Very true. History of single molecular drug, maybe of herbal origin is before our eyes. Quinine, reserpine, penicillin, taxol and many more are  having side effects

.

Treat a man as a whole and use a drug as a whole.

What we must seek is still better understanding of our drugs. They are so wonderfully broad acting that others are not ready to accept. Therefore our triumphs at individual level must be made public. One may not have sufficient evidences but then let it be for our young researchers to prove the claim s.

Science always progresses slow.

Bunty Gandhi: How effective sarpagandha is in unmad roga ?

Dr. Hardik- MD: Sarpagandha is very useful in erection without any cause in night also….Redness of eye and excessive salivation are complication of srapgandha including above discussion…Shushrut has mentioned it in amanushopasargadhyaya

Germany Helga Fuchs: Only a small question at least about Sarpagandha for high blood pressure. Is there any end for using the herb, and, then the hight BP is healed? Is gone? Or is there the need to take it for ever? Hm, I guess without changing lifestyle and food habit, and some work on the mind, only by medicine there may be a big helph but not healing. Is it like that in your experience dear Doctors?

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: In primary HTN, there is genetic predisposition + environmental influences..its necessary to avoid environmental factors...its necessary to give attention on these factors with  Herb like sarpagandha etc... Primary can be controlled while secondary is curable...sarpagandha and other herbs are beneficial in primary HTN.. Sometimes with  appropriate management , it gives good relief, but there will be always tendency of HTN... And it can even possible that there is no need of medicine for lifetime in rare cases...

Shri Minoo parabia: Helga, total healing in cases if HTN is conditional. Change of life style and food habits are must. Yes yogic exercise may compensate up to certain extent to unchanged lifestyle and stress. Failing which recurrence is inevitable. So continuous monitoring with dose modifications is the advisable management. I have seen cases with remarkable recovery with lifestyle change and controlled foods.

Vd. Hardik Bhatt: I think Hypertension causes are many more ... So not only any medicine either Ayurved or alopathy effect for temporary or permanent .. Change of life style , diet , pranayam are also advisable for hypertension..

Vd. Bhavesh Thakkar: Hypertension - is not mentioned in ayurveda texts.

How to see hypertension according to ayurveda..? Is it a condition or disease..?

Dr Dipak Shirude: I have seen tapering in the dose of Sarpgandha .. Many patients are shifted then on drugs like Dhamasa, Ashwagandha etc. This will feel enthusiastic to somebody but it is true that Ayurved can cure HTN !!!

Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: I did virechan in some patients not for HTN but for other problems like urticaria,skin disaese,digestive tract diseses.  Which patient were on antihypertensive amongst them some are noticed dizziness when i did chek up. i get bp low and discontinued modern anti-hypertensives.  I think virechan and rakt mokshan can be anti hypertensive treatment modalities in ayurveda. we should spare Sarpgandha as tranquilizer and use cautiously in HTN

Vd. Mahesh Akani Palanpur: Sarpagandha give after food. I am using cardostab.

HT as per text pitta-vataj symptoms; we using Sudarshan, dhamaso, guduchi satva, kadu etc But today our subject is sarpagandha

Vd. Jignesh Thakkar: Respected team of doctors for night giving sarogandha is ok but plz suggest when in day time we are prescribing Sarpgandha what type of combination we should make? As during day time sleepiness creates troubles for some patients. because i have some patients driving heavy vehicles. In them Sarpgandha is not applicable.but if we think some combination for drivers.

Bunty Gandhi: Tagarashwagandhadi Yoga would be helpful in those patient if you are indicating for mental stress and sleeplessness.

Vd. Prerak Shah: During panchkarma processes, in few cases, I have observed rise in blood pressure. In such cases, can I give sarpagandha? will it work for sure? (patient does not have past history of high or low BP)

Vd. Mahesh Akani Palanpur: I have observed that. After process will be normal. But during process can give it.

Dr Dipak Shirude: I don't think anyone can give Sarpagandha or any other medicine especially when we have to induce Vaman, virechana, raktmokshan or basti.  Before snehan swedan or shirodhara or lepam etc .. Small scale up-karmas , Sarpgandha can be administered , as I think and do. It is a kind of achieving fitness before operation . It is simply vast prakop as per Ayurved !!

DNS (Deviated Nasal Septum), Nasal Polyp and sinusitis ...#ayurveda approach

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Todays topic for discussion:  DNS (Deviated Nasal Septum), Nasal Polyp and sinusitis ...#ayurveda approach

Vd. Prerak Shah: Most people suffering from chronic cold are labeled as DNS. Plus they r advised "that there is no cure for it...and surgery is must"...But unfortunate part is...surgery is not successful in many cases...and re-occurrence seen after short span of 4-6 months.

some other common causes are nasal polyp and inflammation of membrane...our problem is we go with simple diagnosis of 'pratishyay' {most vaidyas dont go for nasal (PNS) x-ray examination and they miss these causative factors of symptoms of pratishyay}. Here one more issue is how to differentiate our treatment as per these different causative factors. Do we have separate treatments for sinusitis, nasal polyp, DNS or inflammation of nasal membrane

Group 2:

Vd. Gaurang darji: Chronic stage --> inflammatory factor

Polyp..Tasya dhanvantaryanam adhikaram...

Khsar karma is recommended

Dr dipak shirude. jalgav: The most important cause for DNS is recurrent or continuous flow of air on nose and forehead . sleeping under speedy fan or AC . sitting at open window while journey .

Daily overhead bath and keeping the head slight wet for a long period .

Drinking liquids (even water) at the time of sleeping .

Use of artificial scents - soaps - shampoos deodorants etc. also provides irritation to the soft bone and covering mucosa .

So keen observation of patients routine is must for Nidan parivrjanam which is the first step of an ideal chikitsa .

External local treatment I.e. Bahi-parimarjan chikitsa in the form of lepam and putting typical oils on head gives best relief .

Some best herbal combinations are resulting very nice as anti allergic . they contain guggulu kanchanar kokilaksha guduchi rajani etc.

Kanchanar guggulu . sukshma trifala .  haridrakhand vati . laksmivilas - mahalakshmivilas are some options .

Regular Nasya with simple warm sesame oil is useful ..

Group 3:

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: I think deviated nasal septum is not structure abnormality as there are many many persons with deviated nasal septum.. These people may be (or sometimes may not) prone to Pratishyay or other problems related to nose... According to Ayurveda(Acharya Kashyapa) pratishyay is mainly due to provocation of Vata and Kapha Doshas.... First apply cow ghee on nasal membrane than take inhalation of bishop weed(ajmo)..its very good for DNS, Sinusitis... Jaggery and ginger crush in 2-3 tea spoon water and boil them and after filtering instill 8-8 drops in both nose. This is very beneficial where there is headache with runny nose/ congestion....Applying warm  paste of sweet flagroot (acorus calamus ) on nose(out side) is also very good. Or put this powder in handkerchief and take smelling of it..

Group 4:

Vd. Neha dipam: In DNS laxmivilas ras  tribhova kirtiras nasy of arand sneh and vacha gives good result….And for nasal polyp kshar oil nasya…and erand tail nasya alternat day

Group 5:

Surinder Pal Singh: Dashmoolkarutraym and punarnva kashyam empmty stomach twice a day,some immunomodulator composition like immunorm containing haldi, Bilva, aloevera and tab histantin from KAPL

Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: In DNS Daily pratimarsha Nasya is beneficial to avoid inflammation of nasal membrane. Nasal polyp Avpidak Nasya or use of ksharkrama. sinusitis treat with Navan Nasya..

Vd. Hardik bhatt: Internal snehapan with oil, and daily nasya is also gives good result..