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topic for discussion: #Majja dhatu disorders.....(#Ayurveda)
Vd. Binal
Jagani: We can corelate majja dhatu with bone marrow so leukemia,
thalasemia etc. Under majja dhatu disorder. In thalasemia ajja rakta basti give
good result
Dr. Samir
Suneri: We can corelate with bone marrow anomalies….As well as this
dhatu is basic for sukra dhatu.
Dr. S.P.Deshpande: @Dr
Binal.Aaja rakta basti is a viable solution.
USA Gary
Yuen: do not know a lot about majja dhatu. does that affect bone
and tooth strength?
Slovenia
Anoop S. Anand: I would guess..Ashthi dhatu provides nourishment to
Majja dhatu as per kedar kulya nyay..so asthi dhatus nourishment should be
directly proportional to Majja dhatus nourishment
Dr. Uday H. Hanagal: BBR (Blood Bone Barrier ) means to
reach the Majja dhatu, Ghrutha Gunataha(Mastaka Majja--Brain) & Karmataha
can be do this function. (SUSRUTA)
Vd. Dhruti Kagrana: DECREASE OF MAJJA DHATU
“asthnam majjani saushiryam bhrama timair darshanam”(as.hri.
11/19)
ASTHI SAUSHEERYA – Oteoporosis, BHRAMA – Vertigo, TIMIR
DARSHANA – Blurring of vision
INCREASE OF MAJJA DHATU
“majja netrang gauravam| parvasu sthoolmulani kuryat
kricchrani arunshi cha”(ah.hri.11/11)
NETRA GAURAV – Heaviness of eyes, ANGA GAURAV – Heaviness of
body, Papules.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Arpit Gupta sir pl pass on the no:
of the gentleman for herbal plantation for every one.I am sorry sir if it's for
interest of the entire group one must put in races time & that too for
general
Bunty Gandhi: Is inCrease in majja dhatu
cause specific symptoms ? Like bine
weakness , osteoporosis, etc while decrease in majja dhatu.Oh sorry.I just saw
above msg..Heaviness of eyes and body..
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Majja dhatu is bone marrow, where
the birth place of blood cells, regular blast of the same is within the
reference range is normal, but irregular blast from bone marrow causes leukemia
( blood cancer), platelets get used faster decreased fast lowering from its
reference range, while the TLC( total leucocyte count increase drastically,
types of leukemia are lymphoblastic, myeloid myeloma, acute lymphoblastic
leukemia (ALBL) etc.TLC is white blood cells wbc
Dr. Santosh Swami: Considering intimacy of asthi and
majja dhatu and formation of asthi and majja dhatu according to Charak, we must consider kshaya of majja dhatu as of
both. (Cha. Chi. 15)
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Majja the spinal cord connected
with skull, dhatu the marrow, occurrence of bone
tuberculosis, caused due to the corrosive action in the
constitution of the marrow
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Excellant justification .. How to
correct. ?
Dr. J. T. Contractor: These days bone marrow transplant
surgery done by transfusion of the blood siblings in many leukemia cases but
the success rate is negligible, yet modern branch( big brother!) do it at the
cost of pt's life, along with chemotherapy,as the experiment of stem cell
transplantation has inspired the phenomenon! God save innocents
Canada Nitin Shah: Majja is the 6 th Dhatu and main
function is feeling the space and it means that it provides fulfillment in the
life. Deficiency of this tissue lead to unfulfilled life. And this we see those
who have bone marrow disorder.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: If we bring back the virgin body
metabolism with the help of activated organic alkaloids, slowly but steadily
the hormones start balancing resulting the entire central system comes in its
discipline, no matter how big & mammoth is the disease, diet control plays
the supportive but major role, oxygenation, sun bath( ultraviolet rays),
antioxidants, determination power, yoga all the natural & holistic methods
do support the patient, irrespective of age ,sex or weight of the patient.
Ayurveda has given it's share in doing so,ironically the lacking factor is the
trust! We have a long & difficult steep way to go, good luck buddy
Dr. Bhaskar B Nymathi: Sir
According to our
Ācharya's Majja dhatu is present in body almost {1Anjali pramana } So Majja
dhātu Can we corelate to Mastishka Drava
{Cerabro spinal fluid}.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: We are aware of the hormones
controlled by brain, for example if one is upset feels sever dryness in mouth
as salivary glands due to nervous condition doesn't work, similarly one doesn't
get arose( stimulated) for sex due to any fears as the pituitary glands don't
secret hormones to rush blood in veins for stimulating, these is controlled by
brain, little deficiency in majja dhatu does effect even memory, grasping,
concentrating etc, so mustiska is the power station
Dr. Sachin Utpat: We have to consider kshay-vruddhi
and dushti differently.
If we consider majjadushti the reasons are उत्पेष (that is mardan) abhishyand, abhighat and most
importantly viruddha Anna.
There are two types of dhatus sthayi and asthayi. All the
reasons or causes which affect dhatus are affecting pravahi dhatu.
Also while considering majja dhatu it is very important to
know the connections with pittadhara kala.
मज्जाधरा कला एव पित्तधरा कला
If we see citations from charak when majja kshay happens there is possibility of vata disorders that
means ghrutha is the remedy for it.
As majja disorders are there use appropriate ghrutha, avoid
viruddha Anna and also pittaghna treatment
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: स्थुल अस्थिसु विशेषण मज्जा त्वभ्यन्तराश्रित .
अथेतरेषु सवेँषु सरक्त मेद उच्यते...
According to susruta ,there is Meda with rakta in small bone..and this shows
yellow bone marrow and red bone marrow in small bones.. Hematopoietic activitie
is done mainly in long bone , then small bone ,liver and spleen.. When
hematopoietic cells in bonemarrow are decreased , spleen do function of
hematopoiesis.. Or in condition of leukemia, precursor cells infiltrate spleen
and splenomegaly occurs...in this condition yellow bone marrow(meda) convert into
redbone marrow, so meda is decreased.And red bone marrow produced premature
cells which infiltrate spleen and cause splenomegaly(pleeha vruddhi)..
USA Gary Yuen: For diet to maintain this dhatu,
I've heard some foods are better. Grains bea7uyns lentil dal seeds nuts root
vegetables maybe ghee etc. Chinese also make soup from animal bones. True?
Dr. Yogin Patel: Haemophilia - is it also majj
dhatu dusti Jany rog ?
USA Gary Yuen: A slightly related small detail.
Someone asked about CoQ10. Not Ayurveda but it may relate to unknown substances
of foods that can affect all things like bones. One doctor says eating green
vegetables that have chlorofill, when you are outside in sun, body will use it
to naturally make CoQ10.
Dr. Pravin Tirmare:
USA Gary Yuen: Found herbs in ayurveda
encyclopedia. Thoughts? Others? Rasayana? majja: Aśhwagandhā, śhatāvarī, mahā medha,
ghee.
asthi: Pravāl piṣhti, vaìśha lochana, śhatāvarī, sesame, urad
dal, milk.
Dr. Ghanshyam Varsa: As per my view it's not majja
dhatu
Dr. Pravin Tirmare:
Dr. Bhavesh Modh: IT'S factor VIII ,
Genetics disease it's cariarer
female & appear in male. i think
its raktdhatvagni related.
Dr. Shantanandkumar:
USA Gary Yuen: Does weak teeth count as majja disorder? From
older habits like soda and bad food, am trying to strengthen.
Vd. Gurumahantesh: It's asthi kshaya lakshana ,
Not majjagata vyadhi
Vd. Prerak Shah: Thelasemia can be considered under
majja dhatu disorder. Enema with goat blood is practiced in govt hospital and
recognised by Gujarat state govt. as it is very effective.
Dr. Shyamsundar Raithatha: But does it cure
thalasaemia?
Dr. Santosh Swami: Please mention it's protocol
USA Gary Yuen: Found a study: Ayurvedic
management of Thalassemia Major-A review of clinical researches conducted at
IPGT & RA, Jamnagar
http://www.ijam.co.in/index.php/ijam/article/view/06092015/299.
I have heard excess from animal sourced iron is much harder
to eliminate. Has meat reduction helped?
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Dr Prerakbhai goat blood trials?
Pl brief a bit about the concept
Dr Jayesh Patel: Can AVN is also describe as mjja
dhatu vikruti??
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: For bone marrow diseases the dosha
discussed are really true..As a remedy to bring back virginity or reversal we are using in. naturopathy Ozone therapy
along with supplements like omega 3
2gms. shatavari ,ashwsganth ,
guduchi and green tea each three gms to six gms s day..orally. also gel of raw papaya 20 gms s day. to
reduce blast ratio matra basti of 20 ml
juice of Papaya leaves 30 gms of wheat grass juice is given by drip through saline set. Twice or
thrice a day. On limbs , spinal cord , chest
ozone blanching with juices as above is also done. Medicinal bath with ozone is also given fir
one hour.. Daily treatment comprises three hours .All disorders such as WBC / Platelets acid phospotates etc are well managed or normalised. depending
on conditions. Root causes such as lucky
guts, de acidification of marrow environments , restoration of lives chain over heavy chain etc.
For bone marrow diseases the dosha discussed are really
true..As a remedy to bring back virginity or reversal we are using in. naturopathy Ozone therapy
along with supplements like omega 3
2gms. shatavari ,ashwsganth ,
guduchi and green tea each three gms to six gms s day..orally. also gel of raw papaya 20 gms s day. to
reduce blast ratio matra basti of 20 ml
juice of Papaya leaves 30 gms of wheat grass juice is given by drip through saline set. Twice or
thrice a day. On limbs , spinal cord , chest
ozone blanching with juices as above is also done. Medicinal bath with ozone is also given fir
one hour.. Daily treatment comprises three hours .All disorders such as WBC / Platelets acid phospotates etc are well managed or normalised. depending
on conditions. Root causes such as lucky
guts, de acidification of marrow environments , restoration of lives chain over heavy chain etc.
Vd. Prerak Shah: I have published report about
rakta-basti (goat blood basti) in Gujarati language shared by Dr. Bhavesh Modh.
Which is herewith. I have requested Dr. Ravindra Updhyayji to translate it in
English
This goat blood basti treatment is now available in 5 govt
hospitals in Gujarat state. Pl wait for more details in English.
Dr. Sushant Patil: Can we siddha a Ghruta kalpana from
Goat blood and can use that too ?
Vd. Prerak Shah: No. They make majja Ghrut
But they use goat blood directly as basti
Dr. Shekhar Gole: Thank you very much Dr. Prerak
sir
Dr. Shyamsundar Raithatha: Thanks Dr Prerakji. I
would like to know how is the response of patients to this therapy ?
Vd. Prerak Shah: Pl wait for English translation.
Total 135 patients were recorded till 2014. At this day the figure must be
high. As now state government is funding and also supporting the team involved.
Dr. Sachin Utpat: We always use to give rakta basti
at ayurved when I was doing pg over
there 15 years back Mahavidyalaya, Nashik. But mainly used in rakta kshay.
तदेव दर्भमृदितं रक्तं बस्तिं प्रदापयेत्
Dr. Sachin Utpat: @ Dr jayesh
AVN may be considered under majja dushti. I remember a case
of AVN treated well with majja basti🙏
Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: Children afflicted with.
Thalassemia are treated in the civil hospital
of Ahmadabad by enema of blood of
Goats, due to which the duration of blood transfusion has increased, they do not need that frequently blood transfusion.
Since last 3 yrs 135 children have been benefitted. Ayurved has narrated
various types of. PANDU ie ANAEMIA.
The symptoms of Tridoshaj Pandu.
and THALASSEMIA ARE ALIKE. In 1925 it was known as Cooley's. ANAEMIA,
subsequently from 1950 it was named as THALASSEMIA. AROUND 10000 CHILDREN ARE
BORN. IN THE CIVIL HOSPITAL AKHANDANAND
OF AHMEDABAD. THE EXPERIMENT (
TREATMENT ) IS GOING ON. THE DURATION OF BLOOD TRANSFUSION HAS LENTHENED IN ALL
THE CHILDREN. MAJORITILY THE PTS NEED BLOOD TRANSFUSION 4 TIMES A WEEK AND SOMETIMES TWICE IN A MONTH. BUT AFTER BEING GIVEN THE ENEMA OF
BLOOD OF GOAT, IN SOME CASES THEY NEED BLOOD TRANSFUSION ONLY ONCE IN 6.
MONTHS.
In this treatment the
blood is not given INTRRAVENOUS, BUT IT IS GIVEN PER RECTALLY LIKE
ORDINARY ENEMA. SINCE THE I BLOOD
IS GIVEN PER RECTALLY , ONE DOES NOT
NEED A PARTICULAR. BLOOD GROUP. THE OF
THE DOSE OF THE BLOOD IS DECIDED AS PER THE AGE, WT, AND THE SEVERITY OF THE DISEASE. FOR THIS AYURVEDIC TREATMENT, AFTER THE BLOOD TRANSFUSION
ONE NEEDS TO GO WITHIN 3 DAYS TO THE CIVIL HOSPITAL AND CONTINUE THE
AYURVEDIC TREATMENT FOR 10. DAYS. AT A STRETCH.
THE GOAT BLOOD IS
PROCURED FROM THE SLAUGHTER HSE
MAINTANED BY THE. CORPORATION. INITIALLY THE GOAT IS EXAMINED FROM THE HEALTH PT OF VIEW. AFTER
THAT THE BLOOD IS REMOVED FROM THE
VEIN NEAR THE NECK. AFTER THE NECESSARY INVESTIGATIONS CARRIED OUT IN ANIMAL HUSBANDARY DEPT OF THE GOVT
HOSPITAL, IT IS INFUSED. IT IS A
GENETICALLY INHERITED DISEASE. IF THE HUSBAND AND WIFE BOTH ARE THALASSEMIA
MINOR, THE CHANCES OF OFFSPRING
BEING THALLASEMIC MAJOR IS 50 %.
THE DISEASE IS HEREDITARY. THE SYMPTOMS ARE SEEN BY THE 5 TH
YEAR OF THE AGE. PALLOR, is PALE LOOKING, BLACKISH SKIN, IRRITABLE, BREATHELESSNESS, LOSS OF APPETITE, OEDEMA , ALL OVER THE BODY. ARE THE. SYMPTOMS.
. AYURVED HAS "NARRATED RAKTABASTI
WAYBACK 5000 YRS BACK. AS A TREATMENT.
"TADEV DARBHA MRUDITAMRAKTAM BASTI. PRADAPAYET" MEANING
RAKTABASTI ie , ENEMA OF BLOOD IS GIVEN
WHEN BLOOD IS DEFICIENT. ON THE
BASIS OF THE VERY PRINCIPLE, THE THALASSEMICS
ARE GIVEN ENEMA OF GOAT BLOOD IN
AYURVEDIC SPECIALITY CLINIC OF
AKHANDANAND.
THERE IS INCREASE IN THE IRON DUE TO BLOOD TRANSFUSION.
FERRITIN IS DECREASED BY REMOVING
OVERLOAD OF IRON. DISEASED BONEMARROW IS OVERCOME
OR TREATED BY USAGE OF GHEE
PROCESED WITH MAJJA . MAJJA PROCESSED GHEE IS NOTHING BUT A MIXTURE OF BONEMARROW
OF GOAT AND GHEE. THE VERY MIXTURE CAN
BE USED BY THE PTS BY APPLYING ON. CHAPATIS.
THE DRS OF GOVT RUN AYURVEDIC HOSPITAL HAVE SUCCEEDED IN THIS
EXPERIMENT. BUT THE ALLOPATHIC DRS ARE
SCEPTICAL ABOUT IT, NOBODY IS AWARE HOW THE GOAT BLOOD IS INVESTIGATED PRIOR TO ENEMA.. WHETHER THE SAME PROCEDURE IS
ADOTED OR SOME DIFFERENT IS YET TO BE
ESTABLISHED. MORE RESEARCH IS EXPECTED
TO BE DONE IN THIS CONTEXT.(. DR. VISHWAS AMIN, EXECUTIVE. DIRECTOR --.
INDIAN REDCROSS SOCIETY )
DR ATUL BHAVSAR, THE MONITORING OFFICER, AYURVEDIC
SPECIALITY CLINIC, STATED THAT THE DURATION OF THE BLOOD TRANSFUSION
PERIOD OF 135 CHILDREN HAS BEEN INCREASED FROM 2
MONTHS TO 6 MONTHS BY THE USAGE
OF ENEMA OF GOAT BLOOD.
REMARKABLE DECREASE IN
THE FERRITIN LEVEL AND THE QUALITY OF
BLOOD CORPUSCLES WERE ACHIEVED.
THE ABOVE TREATMENT OF GOAT BLOOD ENEMA IS GIVEN BY 5
GOVT AYURVEDIC HOSPITALS VIZ, AKHANDANAND, LALDARVAJA AHMEDABAD, GOVT RUN
MANIBEN HOSPITAL, ASARAVA AHMEDABAD
GOVT AYURVEDIC HOSPITAL PANIGET
VADODARA , GOVT AYURVEDIC HOSPITAL JUNAGADH,
TAPIBAI HOSPITAL BHAVNAGAR.
1/10/2014
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Above all discussion on blood
related problems
Raktapitta is may consider and look at sign and symptoms try
to correlate with ayyrved Please do debut on this issue
Vd. Prerak Shah: Not only blood related
problems...these are majja related problems mainly...
Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: How to prevent this goat blood
from clotting ?
Dr. J. T. Contractor: The way human one
Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: Is this enema given by drip method
? Do we expect this enema to come back like niruha ?
Dr. J. T. Contractor: I think it's annal injected!
Vd. Prerak Shah: If someone is interested in this
thalassamia project, should contact Dr. Atul Bhavsar in Govt. Akhandanad
Ayurveda Collage, Ahmedabad.....He is handling this project since 20+
years.....He is the MAD person, who started with protocol for this idea, who
developed methodology and worked very hard to reach this stage....against all
odds and oppose to his work (No moral support, no financial support or any kind
of support...but contrary people tried to bring him down several times). 'A
true devotee for Rakta basti', working in government sector.
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Hats off to dr Atul Bhavsar.Pl
enroll him in Grp we get benefited
Dr. Shriniwas Gujjarwar: In Nanded and Aurangabad we
were doing Aja (Goat)rakta basti for thalassamia and anaemia in 1997-98 during
my ug under Vd. Bindumadhav Katti sir
(he was renowned panchakarma tadnya in marathawada region of maharastra ) and
with Vd. Santosh Nevapurkar (my senior
). Excellent results.
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Annal injection of blood is not retained ..It has
to be given through saline sdt by drip at slow speed. Combination 100 ml finely filtered blood added with 400
ml NS 5% in two hours . It is absolutely
essential to de acidify marrow environments by intensive treatment as mentioned in my post. Otherwise it will
not give desired result. We should not be satisfied with delayed transfusion
but to cure by reversal
Dr. Vipin Pandey:
Dr. Bhaskar B Nymathi: Rakta stambana can we prevent by
natural Anticoagulant drug *DURVA* Cynodon dactylon. As per my knowledge sorry
if it's wrong.
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: In leukemia or bone marrow
disorders the complications are too high and entire body is involved hence
apart from medication it requires protocol to reverse mechanism.
Dr. Sanjay Londhe: Veryb true dr deshpande…Sir kindly
elaborate onacidify marrow enviroments by intensive treatment.Also specify the
absorbtion rate and ratio of Goat blood through mucosa.And its use in
thalasemia. When given basti.
Dr. Gaurav Makan: Sir NS 5% will cause svere
hypernaetremia
Germany Helga Fuchs: Are there any studys done, how the
patients are today? It would be important to see long thermed results and
sideeffects to. Observing the healt or way of patients after 20 years, can be seen as longtherm results of treatment. This is very
informativ and will be a important point to accept this treatment worldwide or
to find up to the results possible new or easy ways to hold the healingsuccsess
after well done treatment. Hope she have done this observation because this is
THE POINT to bring Ayurveda in worldwide focus as serious medicine.
Vd. Sachin Kadlag: Collect fresh goat blood directly into a pot
partially filled with honey , and mix it quickly , then it doesn't clot. I have
given only once the goat blood enema. It
doesn't clot.
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Animal blood is more acidic and
thick than human blood.When mixed in 5 %
NS clotting is avoided
and density is reduced
Dr. Gaurav Makan: But, the 5% NS will be reduced to
how much percentage after helping avoid coagulation?
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: About de acidification ozone blanching on limbs
spinal cord chest skull with paste of wheat grass , moringo oil massage
, jacketting with oxygen / ozone, tub bath with leafy vegetable juices ,
ciw urine , turmaric and ozone purifies
tixins in blood and marrow. It takes
three to four months for normalising parameters
but progress is seen
immediately. As regards absorption percentage of
blood , I don't have testing method but benefits may be looked as other
way. By positive angle. Giving below
some photos.
Dr. P. A. Deshpande:
Medicinal bath suspending whole body in medicinal water with
ozone. Compare this with animals enjoying in mud.
Vd. Prerak Shah: @Helga: Yes, all datas and
scientifically done research details / documentation are there.....This program
is under operation since last 20+ years.... government approved it and
supported it since last 3-4 years .....acceptance from Government (team of
western minded scientists, doctors and researchers) was not easy, or it was not
a fluke.....after watching its long term positive effects, they have agreed to
support this project...still they dont have open mind & heart.....still
they create many doubts and many hurdles...because this is ayurveda and these
people cant digest success of ayurveda in such a complicated condition.
Vd. Prerak Shah: If someone wants to be in touch
with Dr. Atul Bhavsar, we can manage to get his contact details
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Ozone blancinng on all important parts of body .
Dr. Vipin Pandey: yes sir.but i dont know if we give
thrgh anal rout it may cause hypernaetremia
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Dr. Giurav the post is as per my own exoeriance. .no such problems r noted.
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: We can't do any guery arguments
controversy and debut against our ancient guru because we are far behind of
thought, Vision, Understand the basis principles, With third eye vision, Intuition
and power of knowledge and experience they published all textbooks……We haved to
go in-depth knowledge and try to correlate in our practice…..Example of any
harbs indication even today nobody can differ the indication….We just do
justification of they written by re search…..So please make constructive debut
with etiology and sign and symptoms
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: By this post we can correlate of
Portal hypertension
Leukemia
Thrombocytopenia
Varices of esophageal
Malena
Epitaxesis
Bleeding rectum
Tumor
Carcinoma
Bleeding disorder
Ulcerative colitis
Any ulcer
Dr. Jinal Thakkar: I didn't understand basti by drip
method?
Dr. Gaurav Makan: Dr. Jinal what he wants to say
is... Instead of giving it like enema in few minutes.. It has to be given
slowly over a period of 2 hours by setting the drip accordingly
Dr. Jinal Thakkar: Is there any specific reference
where it is mentioned that it needs to go over a period of time and not like a
normal basti
Germany
Helga Fuchs: Dear Prerakbhai, very good done. This is so important work.
And that western doctors work in this Team is very good. Same procedure are
here and same thinking, but this is only to clear out everything what is
possible. Fools are here to cleare them and to find a better way. On the end
you will have a study where different Situation are named and why and how and
witch results are given. This are important informations and this fight have
all technics or new ways to undergo. If real benefits of this treatment are
given, all doctors, ayurvedic and allopathic, will be more clear and safe.
Please do not think about Ayurveda is not accepted or she do
not like the success of Ayurveda. Last point is Problem of Pharmaindustrie but
not in mind of good doctors. Good doctors are interested in proper and safe
treatment to save lives and health. This is all over the world the same. Only
technics and systems are different but not the goal.
Dr. Dayanand Bothre: Is it like yapan basti parek sir
???
Where our intension is absorption of medicine than shodhan or
shaman
Dr.
Bhadresh Naik: Respected prerakbhai
If possible please contact to dr atulbhai bhavsar for expert
opinion on our group so query and controversy will clear
Vd. Tanuja Gokhale: Anuvasan n Niruh basti are
prescribed for dosha shaman or dosha nirharan thereby breaking the samprapti
and also are prescribed for increase in bala, virya, etc.Raktam jeeva iti
sthiti.Here Raktabasti are prescribed for sakshat rakta vruddhi n as jeevaneeya
ie life promoting or increasing quality n duration of life of patient. Rakta
basti are for maximum retention of it.
Satyen: Is anemia
with goat blood useful in thalassemia?
Vd. Prerak Shah: All friends, I have allied with
Vd. Atul Bhavsar, a man who developed Rakta-basti for thalassamia. He is not
less then a rishi. He can't give more time to us or participate with our
discussion. But he has agreed to reply your queries.
Anyone who is interested in his work, can ask him your
question or contact him by email. Pl make genuine points for comments or
questions. His email : atulya_ayu@yahoo.co.in
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: @ Dr Prerak ji
I would like to have Dr Atul
Bhavzar s details . Mobile / mail id Pl
Dr. P. A. Deshpande: Regarding any reference for giving
goat blood by drip system and period , I
would like to clarify that if
given like enema it is a experience that comes out immediately and the purpose is defeated. It needs to be
absorbed through mucosa. Systems r not
through any references
Dr. Uday H. Hanagal: Aplastic Anemia-- When Bone marrow
doesn't able to produce blood, Chikitsa Sutra & Yoga in this case?
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: दोषा पित प्रधानास्तु यस्तु कुप्यनति धातुृुषु।
शैथिल्यं तस्य धातुनां गौरव च उपजायते।।
Dhatu shaithilya can be taken as Aplastic conditions where
blood cells are not produced properly..
Dhatu gauravata can be taken as Dhatu(marrow) is flooded with
immature cells that is seen in leukemias
.
ततो बल वणँ स्नेहा ये चापि अन्य ओजसा गुणा ।
व्रजन्ति क्षयमत्यथँ दोषदुष्य प्रदुषणात्।।
सोअल्प रक्त अल्प मेदोस्को निःसार शिथिसेन्द्रियः।
वैवण्यँ भजते ,,
Alpa rakta can be taken as red bone marrow and alpa meda can
be taken as yellow bone marrow.
Nisar:- loss of body complexion
Varna bala sneha oja kshaya denote completely disfunctioning of marrow(bone marrow
failure)/ or hyper plasia of marrow.
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: मज्जा.....पूरणमस्थ्नाम् च करोति। सु.सू 15/5
can we say aqueous humor ,vitreous humor = majja dhatu. as
eyes fill up orbital fossa. asthi puran.
मज्जा (अतिव्ऋद्धः) सर्वाँगनेत्रगौरवं च । सु.सू.15/14
heavyness of eyes- too much vruddhi of majja
Tamodarshan, Netraabhishyand (conjunctivis, glaucoma) majja
pradoshaj rog - as per Sushrut. 29/9.
anubhut best treatment is triphala ghrut akhipuran..
So majja is not just bone marrow, opinion from seniors ???🙏
Dr. Sachinkumar Jinture: Sneh bhag in the asthidhatu
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: मेदो हि सर्वभूतानामुदरस्थमण्वस्थिषु च, महत्सु च मज्जा भवति। सु.शा4/12/13
majja is a type of sneh or med. thats why can we say humor
aqu, vitreous, is also Majja dhatu.majja mal are netra sneh,
purish sneh and tvacha sneh.
Dr. Sachinkumar Jinture: Aqu Humour vitreous is a
part of Majja
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: asthivivarmatragat
sneh is majja, so brain is also majja dhatu, ?
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Membranes are spongy unlike majja
majja is marrow, brain is made of spongy membranes, constitution &
construction differs
Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: Brain is not inside asthi. It is
covered by asthi. So I don't think we should consider brain as majja. We can
certainly compare brain with medo dhatu.
One observation : With Modern medicines to reduce lipids ,
the evidence of स्मृतिभ्रंश is
increasing. Is it because these meds affect brain (medo dhatu )
Dr. Madhuri Patil Chaudhari: my
observation all antipsychotic meds increase abdominal fat and lipid levels. too
swiftly.
Germany
Helga Fuchs: Brain is majja dhatu? I remember it is like nerv issue.
Connection from asthi to brain.
Shri Minoo
parabia: Brain is a nervine tissue. Very sprcific and no comparable
though. Majja in my view are all divisible
tissues that can regenerate the differentiated mass called organ. So
bone marrow is one of the types of majja that can produce differentiated blood
corpuscles. This process of regeneration is largely governed by complex
hormonal and enzymatic system. The immuno modulator like Tinospora can help a
lot.
Germany
Helga Fuchs: Thank you, this is very important Information. Gives a total
different picture about funktion of majja in the body. 🙏👍
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Majja is considered as one of
sneha among 4 types of snehas... So whenever there is disease related with
Majja, other sneha(samana guna bhuyishtha) should be given with other herbs.
USA Gary Yuen: Is majja deficiency and disorder
covered somewhere in Caraka?
Vd. Tanuja Gokhale: Majnam asthini soushiryam
bhramstimirdarshanam.. ie majja kshay or reduction in quality n quantity result
in porosity of bones, giddiness or vertigo, patient complains of seeing
darkness.
The above are majja deficiency signs n symptoms.Qualitative
or quantitative but undesired increase (more than normal) is Majja Vruddhi. The
symptoms are heaviness of eyes n body.Majja vitiation are mentioned in
Majjapradoshaj roga in C.Su.28 in detail.
Dr. Sachin Utpat: In my opinion brain is also मज्जा
If you find diseases of brain under which srotas they are
considered?Nice explanation. Even a non
ayurvedic like me has gained a big knowledge not just a information.
Dr. Hardikchandra Kalal: I have one q?
How to understand
relationship between eye and majjadatu ??
Bunty Gandhi: Yes non medico like me also got to
know very valuable stuffs..
Bunty Gandhi: Especially Rakta Basti
Vd. Binal Jagani: Can we compair vitreous body of
eye as majja dhatu and sclera as asthi dhatu????
Vd. Prerak Shah: Good question.. But we need
academicians/ scholars to answer this.
Dr. Santosh Swami: @Dr Utpat. Totally agree with you.
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Neurons(main functional cells of
nervous system) are covered with neuroglia(other cells of NS). Neuroglia
(oligodendrocytes in CNS and Schwan cells in PNS) are made up of
phospholipid...
Majja is considered as sneha(type of fat), and phospholipid
is also type of fat...so we can say Majja and nervine tissue both having fat in
its structure
Dr. Santosh Swami: Majjsar laxana should also be
taken into consideration while thinking about Netra .We have to give suddha
ghrita or ghrita as anupan for specific drugs to break blood brain barrier.
Vd. Prerak Shah: Can we consider majja dhatu karma
or actions as immuno-modulator?
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: We can't say vitreous body of eye
as majja dhatu as vitreous body is derived from embryonic mesenchyme cells and
having water, salt sugar and vitrosin(collagen) in it
Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: Yes, we can say as BALAM is one of
the action of Majja
Colombia Enrique Jorge Galindo Bogota: Balam like force?
Vd. Prerak Shah: Bala or balam = strength
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: My guruji late vd c p shuklaji🙏👍always talk to us
Frist read disease name of morden and ayurved
Understand the both etiology sign and symptoms
Correlate with ayurved dosh
Dusya
Stotas
Vimarggaman
Sthan
According to that make plan of medicine
Lots of controversy during the debut arise regarding raktavah
Medvah
Majjavah
Ashthivah strotas
But blood related problems we must consider raktavah
Asthivah strotas
And raktapitta
Gout. (Vatrakta) disease
Even morden physiology and structure of blood components
Bone marrow
Bleeding disorder
Genetic factors
Bij and sukra
Most important lifestyle
Food
Bed habit of food
Mental stress
Misuse of morden medicine
Like antibiotics
Nsaid medicine
Oral contraceptives
Methotrexate
So on
Dr. Shruthi Arun: In the physical body, Majja dhatu
is formed as posaka asthi dhatu which flows through the majjavaha srotas into
the majja dhara kala and is digested by the majja dhatwagni.
In addition to the formation of the marrow, the sclera and
sclerotic fluids of the eye are formed
Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Kedarikulya nayay is wonderful
creations by our ancient guru.Please apply in clinical practice it's make lots
different in prognosis of disease
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Vitreous body,sclera in eye,
constitutionally differ from majja dhatu or of that sathi majja,
The body over all is a cylinder of water,yet organ's
constitutions are completely different,
Dr. J. T. Contractor: Pl read Asthi ( not sathi)
Dr. Pravin Tirmare: ध्यानमूलं गुरुर्मूर्तिः पूजामूलं गुरुर्पदम्।
मन्त्रमूलं गुरुर्वाक्यं मोक्षमूलं गुरूर्कृपा॥
Vd. Prerak Shah: Pl let's conclude this subject
here.
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compilation courtesy: Vd. Kinshuk Hirpara
