Ashmari (renal stone - kidney stone or bladder stone) and its management with #Ayurveda......

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Dr. J. T. Contractor: Kulthia ( Kalshi) is best to break stone in kidney  & blader, proven therapy ( hope some one doesn't ask of reference!), kulthi kadha taken in place of water daily, but a teaspoon full powder of kulthi in a week's time removes stone, besides it flushes entire renal system,it's a best cleanser……Khadamar also available,some give it with soda,but best & safe is Kulthi-Kalshi-Kulthia

Dr. Jinal Thakkar: There is a reference in sushrut samhita abt Kulattha (Kalshi),  Where kulittha has been mentioned as pathyakar for ashmari

Dr. Meghdoot Satvekar: Ref of kulith in treatment of stone

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Look at samprati…….Vata and kapha Are involved….So treat vatshamak and coughnask medicine

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Surat Vd Mukul Patel: There are drugs which have no reference in any samhita,   but are used traditionaly, or in tribal or folk  medicine. There are many such drugs having miraculous results used by bagats in dang,  I have personally seen them use a drug in renal calculi,   Kurdu seeds. Sorry, no differentiation  as per doshas,  no understanding of samprapti, And no reference. I have used  these seeds with excellent results.

Shri Minoo parabia: That's lampdi or Celosia argentea. Seeds are diuretic.

Dr. Bhadresh Naik: Sigrubij and parnfuti are useful

Surat Vd Mukul Patel: @ prabiya sir,  yes sir I was talking about Celosia, the plant that is referred to as silver spiked purple cocks comb in general,  It is a potential medicinal plant, not much explored .

Vd. Dipak Upadhyay: I m using Gokshur , pasanbhed & water therapy.

Dr Dipak Shirude: Can someone share the two theories stated by Sushruta regarding formation of ashmari ?

Vd. Manhar Prajapati: For pain avpidak sneh is good before food followed by 3hr after taking food…..What is kurudu seeds?

Dr. Arvind panchal: I m using combination of drugs like apamarg, chhota gokshur, bhoomi amlaki, punarnava, bijora, kulthi and yavkhar...in liquid form....it gives best results in stone up to 10mm size....

USA Parulben: One professor from Surat college (forgot his name who was my examiner) has done great resurch  work on corn hair. Corn hair is very strong diuretic works faster then tab . Lasix. It gives good result in renal stone. By the way no sanhita or charak, Sushrut or vagbhatt has mentioned about this. Together we all trying to unfold this Devine Science on this platform and trying to promote Ayurveda better way.

Dr. Saritha Reddy: Sir, u have said about corn hair, pl give some details about how to administer, it to the patient

Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: My father Vaidya S.K. Kulkarni used to use corn hair in form of decoction along with other herbs like gokshur in renal stones.

Baroda Arti parimal: Corn silk, Punarnava, Neem chhal powder, Pipal (ficus religious) teak powder, Make a decoction of these, Good for creatinine and prostate

 +91 94286 00239: Gokshur churna + purnanava churna + hajaradyahud bhas…..This combination with soda also give best results in renal stone

Shri Minoo parabia: My pujya Guruji, shri Bapalal Vaidya used to recommend following decoction on Cholelithiasis….Moringa bark, Boerhavia root, Tribulus fruits, Celosia seeds, Tephrosia root all in equal proportion. Sahajan, Punarnava,  goxur, Survali, Sarpankh

Exi kir: I m suffering from kidney stone since last 30 years. So far, 7 stones have come out without operation. 5 months back this kidney stone came out.

Dr. Lokesh Mehta: Combination of hajralyahood yavkshar moolikshar and shvet parpati. Gives good result along with gokshuradi gug and juice of pathar chatta.

Exi kir: I prepare Barly water (Jav nu pani) at home and consume it. "Vajrasan" is good in this problem.

Dr. Lokesh Mehta: Kulath dal water is also useful in renal stones. Do kapal bhati pranayam regularly for renal stones

Exi kir: Which food is restricted?

Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: Avoid suppressing natural urge like. Passing. urine for a long time, at the same time wrong dietary food habbits regularly, as mentioned in the leaflet NOT MADE FOR EACH OTHER, uploaded to. Flinnt, also pl ref to the article uploade, PREVENTION OF KIDNEY DISEASES AN AYURVERDIC APPROACH, this will help quite a lot from. prevention pt of view. Among the medications,  POONARNAVADI. KATHA, CHANDRAPRABHA TAB, GOKHURADI GUGGUL, use of the leaves of. Parnabeej, ie. Bryophylum raw as well as juice helps quite a lot,  Brayophyllum is available  everywhere. Use of. Raddish, cucumber, regularly,  sugarcane juice without ice to be consumed regularly. pl avoid drinking a lot of water when not thirsty, drink only when thirsty, perspiring quite a lot. Chilled water always disturbs the digestive fire, leading to Agnimandya, subsequently weaking of digestive. system

Vd. Sandip Patel: I ask you remedy of any type of stone used by my late GURU pu.Narsinhkaka 1) idrajav 10gm+vacha 1 gm+Abhaya 5gm with ghee 2)sagbeej powder100 gm+tulsibeej 100 gm twice along with lepdi beej with plenty of water

Dr. Dipalee Malviya: One should avoid this food in kidney stone.....Beans,cauliflower,egg yolk, milk products,potatoes,beef ,chickoo, cashew nuts, cocoa, spinach, tomato, ground nuts, custard apple, salmon fish, meat extracts. As we all r genetically different with different constitution n patterns,we respond to treatment in many different ways.  Stone formation is a gradual process n the tendency in a susceptible person persists through out life.Vigilance with adequate fluid intake n diet is needed indefinitely. The simplest guide to drink enough fluids to see tht the urine is very light in colur.Dilute urine avoids concentration of solids n also tends to make the urine neutral.Also treat urinary infection for prevention.

Shri Minoo parabia: Types of crystals tell us the chemical nature of the calculi. Basically there is a combination of active plus diuretics and an advise for ingestion of lots of water. One of the most common methods is use of barley or yava kshar and decoction of Gokhru.  Many experiments are presently being carried out by scientists including physicists and chemist to test in vitro breaking down of extracted calculi using different chemicals and herbal extracts. Aim is to loosen bonding of the crystalline layers formed around the nucleus. Also to make the urine less concentrated.  Varunadi kwath is also found good.

Vd. Nikul Thakkar Palanpur: In my experience. Varunadi kwath with Yavkshar at empty stomach in morning.  Pramehgaj kesari ras, Chandraprabha vati , Gives best result. I have cured more then 100 patients  of stone. And excellent result of these medicines.  And also advise diet plan..

Dr. Prerak Shah: Is there any role of pranayam in renal stone?

Vd. Nikul Thakkar Palanpur: Yes sir. Paschimottanasan & Kapalbhati pranayam also beneficial.

Shri Minoo parabia: That's great. Amazing achievement. Please do enlighten about complications, if any, encountered.

Dr. Hardikchandra Kalal: Which are complications seen practically  after cholecystectomy ??

Vd. Manhar Prajapati: Gastric trouble acdt. ...

Dr Dipak Shirude: [ This is sharing of knowledge and experience, preferably for Medicos ] When Major Singh ( NCC Officer ) came to me, he was in a great grief as he had suffered from severe colicky pain last night. After proper assessment and USG Abdomen, I confirmed the diagnosis as ureteric calculus. The sonologist found the dimension 8.3 mm only.----------Mr. Singh was also suffering from irritable bowel habits, since last many years. This time he was not interested to consume medicine and wait for the result. He asked me for a different kind of treatment. His strong belief in Ayurved insisted me to go for 'Bastikarma' (medicated enemas). I selected simple type and started the course for 15 days. ( 9 Anuvasan + 6 Niruha ). Ingredients were pure seasame oil, water and natural salt ( i.e. saindhav ) only. No medicine was consumed orally at all.  ----------- On the 6th day of the procedure, I administered 'Niruh' type of basti in the morning 8:30 o'clock and returned to OPD. Around 9:45 AM, Major arrived having a smile on his face and shown me the stone which he expelled softly through urin just before. We measured it's dimensions as 8.3 mm width & 18 mm length, looking like a seed of zizyphus ( बदर / बोर ). Though the stone was consisted with scaly and very hard particles, no bleeding or even burning was observed during the evacuation. Is that so easy to pass such stone through male urethra ? or is it a miracle ?  ------------- Not at all, as the references clearly state that,

1. Bastikarma ( especially Niruh ) is indicated in the treatment of Ashmari ( i.e. Calculus ). तेन साधयेत ... अश्मरी ... || ( अष्टांगहॄदय सूत्रस्थान १९/३ )

2. दोषघ्नो निष्परिहारो बल्यः सृष्टमलः सुखः || ( अष्टांगहॄदय सूत्रस्थान १९/३ ) It pacifies excess Doshas, easily evacuates Malas and tones up the body.

3. How it works ? :

        a. Bastikarma brings softness alongwith tone in the body, especially in all the organs below umbilicus.

        b. It corrects the neurological actions and physiology of these organs - internal and external also, urinary track, musculature as well as osteos like vertebras and pelvic girdle.

        c. According to Ayurved, physiology of these organs depends upon the status of " Apaan Vayu ". Bastikarma  normalises the " Apaan Karma ".

something about “Corn Silk”……

USA Dr. Parulben: Sorry due to time difference I couldn't answer your question for corn silk. Yes you can use corn silk as dicoction. 10 grms corn silk boil for 10 minutes with 2 glass of water and use every 2 hour 3 Oz. (You can prepare 1 gallon with same proportions ) I have used as an anupan  with chandraprabhavati in woman. With shilajit in man. Not to eat anything for 24 to 48 hours just cornsilk dicoction. In renal stone. But in gold stone. Erand leaf boil with cow milk and blend it. Give this first in the morning for 7 to 21 days. Most of symptoms will subside in 3  to 7 days. This gives good results in jaundice  too.  This is just guidelines please do not follow blindly as every patient's prakruti is unique and good vaid should make protocol accordingly.

USA Dinesh Pandya: There is a thesis in PGTR Jamnagar.....Corn Silk in Prostate Cancer ...in the year 1972-1973. Work was carried out with Department of surgery Irvine Hospital..Govt.Medical college Jamnagar.....Work Carried out by Dr.C P Rao.....

Surat Vd Mukul Patel: There was another thesis , on  a similar subject . using basma of corn silk,  (prostate enlargement )  I think it was in 1986/88  By Dr lakshmidas …..Very good response.

Dr Dipak Shirude: How to prepare corn silk bhasma ?

Dr. Mahavir Patil: what is name of corn silk in marathi ..? anybody plz tell

Mr. Dipak Padia Osho: Corn Resima called in Marathi

Dr. Suyog Kulkarni: Corn silk -- मक्याचे केस

Shri Minoo parabia: I had known through different sources about corn styles but never had used it.  Thanks indeed to learn about the positive results of such a common material available plenty in India.

Dr. Mahavir Patil: How to prepare corn silk bhasma ?

Dr Dipak Shirude: I have used this as quath in BPH along with other regular medicines. It gives faster relief to the patients. No experience regarding calculii.

Vd. Tapan: Making Bhasma is not practical…..150 gram bhasma can be available from 5 kilo herb. Chhayashushka chura is ideal. Easily dispensable.

USA Dinesh Pandya: You can get organic corn silk powder on Amazon.com

Dr Premsukh: Yavak kshar 500mg, kokilaksha kashya 4tsp, Avipatikar choorna 3gm bd, Aaogya vardhini vati 2 bd, In night haritaki choorna 3gm, ya kutaki vati 2

Vd. Nidhi Awasthy: Arq makoya is also helpful in renal calculi

Vd. Pulkit D. Patel: trivikram rasa.and chandarprabha vati with punarnava kawatha.

Dr Premsukh: Hajral yahud bhasma 125mg, Yavak kshar 250mg,pasanbhed ras 250 mg,trivikrm ras 250 mg with varunadi ya gokshuradi kshaya 4tsp before meal, Chandra prabha vati 2 tab, tab cystone 2 tab with dashmool kwath ya spy Neeri 4tsp, Night 2 anjir and vrak sunantak vati 2, Diet as advice, intake plenty of water

Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: palashpushpasava, tab. k. 4,

Vd. Pankaj Chhayani: If urine pH is alkaline then use acidic drugs like variety of lemons,, and if pH is acidic then use alkaline drugs like various kshar dravyas..

Vd. Mukesh Mehta: as far as l know palashpushpasava is good for dialysis patients.

Dr Premsukh: Varunadi kwath, Aswatha kwath, indukanta kwath in CKD

Vd. Nidhi Awasthy: Neeri , Gokshuradi kwath or churna , Shwet parpati , Pashan bhedadi churna , Shubhra bhasm, Arq makoy have good result,  Sharbat-e- bajuri also

Dr Sandeep kakuste Nandurbar: Above pt 24 yr old male, Rx given tab.calcury2_2,syp Neeri3 tsf 3time,Pashabheda churna 1tsf 2time. Plz adv ur suggestions. Is possible by medicine or go for surgery

Dr. Prerak Shah: Sharbat-e- bajuri? What's this? Pl give more info. Thnx.

Vd. Nisha Thakkar: Give hajrulyahud pisti  nd goksuradi gugullu. .stonex cap

Vd. Nidhi Awasthy: Sir it's basically a unani preparation, In general  bijora neembu's  extract,  Commonly available in market

Dr. Ravindra Upadhyay: for. kidney stones never drink unnecessary water when not thirsty, eat only when hungry, drink only when you are thirsty, do not drink chilled water, do not the urge of. urination for a long time, se to it that your bowel movements are regular without any. medication.  read the leaflets sent on. Flinnt

Vd. Vidhi Joshi: Much useful drink 4 renal calculus & its easy to make also I m using it on my patients oftenly ……Take juice of fresh lime (2 in no.) + 1 tsp of olive oil ( used extra vargin olive oil bcz its thicker in compare so)  + small amound of honey to taste……..Take dis drink twice in day its work better bcz as v knw lime helps to break down stone as well olive oil provide lubrication to allow to pass down calculus……….Try it out at least once

Vd. Sureshbhai Chavda:  pasanbhed. gokshur. punarnava. varunchal  each one 100gm and yavakshar 50gm  with  ghee and honey

Vd. Ahmed Savani: I've one question that..Does one can prescribe Ghee(ghrita) or Ghee product(Medicated processed Ghee) in Renal Stone or Gall stone. And Is it effective & scientifically correct??

Vd. Tapan: Avapidak ghrut prayog have been advised in the chikitsa of Mutravegrodh ….